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Sadly, I learned that from school, but I will try to find a source for sure, since I am interested.
However, this prof WAS pretty legit so I trusted him.
But yea, I'll look into it


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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

A question I hope some scholarly folk maybe able to answer:

We all know that the Romans documented their history pretty well at the time of the life of Jesus Christ.  It is also said that most historians believe Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist.

However, is there any mention of Christianity and Jesus in any of their primary sources from around the time?

I realise this was going on in a different area but the Romans occupied the Hellenes and Turkey.  I would have thought they would have mentioned this supposedly divine guy named Jesus in their writings?


I may be wrong, I'm no expert...
But I thought the Roman Empire DID have a listing for Jesus Christ, and all it said was he was executed at age 33 for being an enemy of the state.


Oh, that's interesting.  Could you mayhaps find a source for this?
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

A question I hope some scholarly folk maybe able to answer:

We all know that the Romans documented their history pretty well at the time of the life of Jesus Christ.  It is also said that most historians believe Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist.

However, is there any mention of Christianity and Jesus in any of their primary sources from around the time?

I realise this was going on in a different area but the Romans occupied the Hellenes and Turkey.  I would have thought they would have mentioned this supposedly divine guy named Jesus in their writings?


I may be wrong, I'm no expert...
But I thought the Roman Empire DID have a listing for Jesus Christ, and all it said was he was executed at age 33 for being an enemy of the state.
Though that does prove the man Jesus Christ DID exist


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A question I hope some scholarly folk maybe able to answer:

We all know that the Romans documented their history pretty well at the time of the life of Jesus Christ.  It is also said that most historians believe Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist.

However, is there any mention of Christianity and Jesus in any of their primary sources from around the time?

I realise this was going on in a different area but the Romans occupied the Hellenes and Turkey.  I would have thought they would have mentioned this supposedly divine guy named Jesus in their writings?
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Points: 32553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2009 at 16:15
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Now let's discuss atheism...Tongue


Hey...be my guest.  I suppose it's due.  Embarrassed

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Back in business, I see. Wink
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Points: 32553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2009 at 15:14
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Perhaps.....Tongue
I do believe in fair and balanced so you know we can't have the atheist thread running this show alone!


Like Fox News? Right?

Right?

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I do believe in fair and balanced so you know we can't have the atheist thread running this show alone!
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Sad to this thread so far down, I shall revive it!
LOL


Is that a subtle hint? Wink

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Sad to this thread so far down, I shall revive it!
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I'm not going to debate abortion here (someone can start a thread if they wish), but I'll only say that the destruction of children (born or unborn) for our convenience, comfort, and research grieves the God of the Bible.  I will never support any of it.
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Also, funny you should mention animal testing- from what I've noticed, several of the same people who believe animal testing is immoral have no qualms about human embryonic stem cell research (again, not to spark a debate, just an ironic observation).


Well, for one thing if you don't have a nervous system, you can't feel pain, which is probably 75% of my argument. But you have to weigh the potential of any unborn life versus the outcomes for people actually living now. Similarly with abortion, however stem cells can come from other places than embryos.
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Points: 65624 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2009 at 21:58
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


 . . . Also, funny you should mention animal testing- from what I've noticed, several of the same people who believe animal testing is immoral have no qualms about human embryonic stem cell research (again, not to spark a debate, just an ironic observation).


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I'm one of those people, which begs the question: do I think animals are more important than people?  I'd say equal to, and therefore require the same protections offered people.. but if we're talking stem cell research, either animals or human, I think the potential breakthroughs through the destruction of unborn tissue outweigh other moral issues.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


 . . . Also, funny you should mention animal testing- from what I've noticed, several of the same people who believe animal testing is immoral have no qualms about human embryonic stem cell research (again, not to spark a debate, just an ironic observation).


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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 11:34
Originally posted by James James wrote:


Animal testing is wrong as well.  Yes, I realise many cures for different illnesses and diseases have been found this way but it's still not ethical.
 
I'm still torn on that one, and am inclined to take a utilitarian view on it. It may turn out that ultimately we'd be able to better treat animals diseases and all other sorts of things.
 
In a sense, unless egregiously horrible things are done along the way (define that as you will), I believe the progress of science should not be hindered. It will eventually make life better for all things, as long as we don't kill our planet along the way.
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Points: 32553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 08:11
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Thought I'd just quote this from page 1:

Originally posted by Epignosis on page 1 Epignosis on page 1 wrote:

I wanted to start a thread for Christians to discuss the Bible, their faith, and their struggles. This should be a place where we can pray for one another and encourage one another with scripture and testimony.


Another couple of pathetic posts deleted.

Whilst this is not a thread I visit or contribute to myself, I'd ask that members respect the wishes of those who do & keep prurient posts to themselves.

Many thanks,

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Time to create a different thread and let this become what It was meant to be.


Well, that's why I mentioned yesterday that I was happy to see we could have a discussion without things getting out of hand.  Our talk yesterday enabled me to study some things I had not in quite some time, so I really appreciate that.  You fellows keep a mind sharp! Wink

And I don't mind answering questions about my faith or what the Bible says, or discussing certain points with nonbelievers- my main concern is that this thread doesn't turn into a pushing and shoving contest (which I'm sorry to say many threads based on religion and politics turn into).

And thank you, Jim, for the deletion of one particular post.  I was just going to ignore it.
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Points: 4079 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2009 at 07:56
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Thought I'd just quote this from page 1:

Originally posted by Epignosis on page 1 Epignosis on page 1 wrote:

I wanted to start a thread for Christians to discuss the Bible, their faith, and their struggles. This should be a place where we can pray for one another and encourage one another with scripture and testimony.


Another couple of pathetic posts deleted.

Whilst this is not a thread I visit or contribute to myself, I'd ask that members respect the wishes of those who do & keep prurient posts to themselves.

Many thanks,

Jim Garten

Time to create a different thread and let this become what It was meant to be.
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Thought I'd just quote this from page 1:

Originally posted by Epignosis on page 1 Epignosis on page 1 wrote:

I wanted to start a thread for Christians to discuss the Bible, their faith, and their struggles. This should be a place where we can pray for one another and encourage one another with scripture and testimony.


Another couple of pathetic posts deleted.

Whilst this is not a thread I visit or contribute to myself, I'd ask that members respect the wishes of those who do & keep prurient posts to themselves.

Many thanks,

Jim Garten

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