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Easy Money 
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 Posted: July 24 2009 at 09:06 |
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^ they should be seperate entries, as far as I know all of Fripp's various projects have their own entry, no stress, just get it when you can.
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Padraic
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Posted: July 24 2009 at 08:48 |
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I think we're going to go down this road. My knowledge of Zorn is next to nothing but this just seems to make sense. |
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Dick Heath
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Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
Posted: July 24 2009 at 08:33 |
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The print on the insert for the CD is so small you need a magnifiying glass to read details of the line-up, however, the web provides (see track 4 listing below) and shows my memory ain't that faulty:
DEADLINE
DOWN BY LAW 1/ Afro Beat (Dibango,Wilson,Laswell) 6.31
2/ Boat Peoples (Dibango,Turre,Wilson) 7.03
3/ Baliphone Dub (Wilson) 4.24
4/ Makossa Rock (Dibango,Wilson,Laswell) 11.06
5/ Gammatron (Wilson,Laswell) 5.22
6/ Doo Root (Wilson) 3.44
Recorded at Evergreen Studio
Produced by Bill Laswell and Phillip Wilson for Material/OAO
Manu Dibango : tenor saxophone (1,2,4), voice (1,2); Bernie Worrell: synthesizer (1,2,4); Aiyb Dieng : congas (1,2), cowbell (1,2), talking drums (4); Phillip Wilson : cymbals (1,4), DMX (1,2,3,4,5), percussion (2), baliphone (3,4,6), bells (3), bass synthesizer (4), metals (5), kalimba (5), drums (5), processed piano (6), water tube (6), floor toms (6), congas (6), plastic hammers (6), cabasa (6); Bill Laswell : bass (1), DMX (1,2,3,4,5), AMS (2,4), shortwave (3); Steve Turre : conch shells (2,6), didjeridoo (2,4,6); Olu Dara : cornet (2,4), wood trumpet (2,4); Jonas Hellborg : bass (3,5), fuzz bass (3); Rob Stevens : processed piano (3), electric piano (6); Paul Butterfield : harmonica (4); Jaco Pastorius : bass (4); Robert Musso : processing (4).
1985 - Celluloid, CELL 6111 (Vinyl)
198? - Celluloid, CELD 6111 (CD)
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The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:26 |
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Now why don't we have a Turntablism sub on this site? 
Thanks again to Dick-eh for enticing-eh me-eh to try-eh that album-eh. Diggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggy... Edited by Slartibartfast - July 23 2009 at 11:34 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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CPicard
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Posted: July 23 2009 at 07:47 |
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Jaco Pastorius with Material? I doubt this, but I will check this anyway.
About P.I.L.'s "Compact" (or "Album", or "Cassette" - depends on the format!), I wonder if it hadn't some bad reviews for a long time. Bad reviews in a "weird" way: it seems that people complain about the professionalism of this record! |
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Dick Heath
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Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 04:16 |
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One of our local secondhand record shops filed a big section of Laswell's recordings under 'Dance' or 'Turntablism' - the latter tag will be a first here
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Anybody mentioned the excellent and fascinating job he did marrying Johnny 'Rotten' Lyden with Steve Vai, Ginger Baker, Tony Williams etal. on PIL's Compact - the epitomy of 80's progressive music. Also curious about the amount of reciprocation between Laswell and Jonas Hellborg (also on one track of Compact) at the end of the 80's? BTW does one of those 80's Material albums have both Jaco Pastorius and Paul Butterfield together on perhaps their last recordings?
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CPicard
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Posted: July 21 2009 at 09:09 |
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After all, maybe Naked City and Painkiller should have their own entries? |
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Captain Capricorn
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Joined: February 21 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1085 |
Posted: July 21 2009 at 08:47 |
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I'll make an effort to prepare a bio for the more dubious lisings in his discog.
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Easy Money
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 18:27 |
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^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 17:26 |
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...not trying to rabble-rouse or anything, but I'm just curious as to why this same measure hasn't been taken with John Zorn & his related projects such as Naked City, Painkiller, & Masada... Edited by Captain Capricorn - July 20 2009 at 17:29 |
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 14:14 |
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I suppose Laswell's 2006 release Episome with Japanese giants Otomo Yoshihide of Ground Zero & Tatsuya Yoshida of Ruins would be a good starting place.
 Edited by Captain Capricorn - July 20 2009 at 10:07 |
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Padraic
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Posted: June 23 2009 at 15:19 |
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Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output. That is what is required for evaluation. Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.
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Easy Money
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Posted: June 23 2009 at 14:17 |
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No artist on this site has every album they played on listed in their discography. If added, Laswell would be no different. All the laswell albums would be on (duh), and I guess the different joint ventures that feature his name would be considered one by one.
Seperate band names in which Laswell was a member should not be added under his name. Edited by Easy Money - June 23 2009 at 14:19 |
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Padraic
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Posted: June 23 2009 at 13:57 |
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Well, I know Henry Plainview has been pushing for Last Exit to be included. Problem is these seem to be separate bands that would have to be evaluated by themselves (e.g. Massacre already in the archives); how does one separate Laswell "solo" from these collaborative works? |
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Easy Money
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:57 |
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Hallucination Engine is a great record, so is Speak No Evil, both are very somber, almost religious in a way. |
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:44 |
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Material too ...have you heard Hallucination Engine? ...it's a fusion masterpiece!
 If you're at all a fan of Weather Report & other world-influenced fusion acts then you'd be doing yourself an incredible disservice to miss that one!
Edited by Captain Capricorn - June 19 2009 at 11:47 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:38 |
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My favorite Laswell, project, Arcana, fits best into jazz rock fusion, I think. But I leave it to the Captain to make his case, when an artist is all over the place it's rather difficult.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 10:05 |
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Praxis, Massacre, Last Exit , & Painkiller are, IMO, Laswell's most avant projects.
I included several links to Praxis' music in the Praxis suggestion thread I started a while back.
Massacre, Laswell's project with Henry Cow's Fred Frith, is already included in the archives.
Last Exit & Painkiller, OTOH, can be heard at last.fm.
Edited by Captain Capricorn - June 19 2009 at 10:43 |
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Padraic
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 09:51 |
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Please provide what you think is the best example of Laswell's work that would fit avant-prog. I'll repost it in the team thread and we can re-visit. Laswell has been brought up before and has been somewhat of a question mark.
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 09:47 |
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Laswell's solo work is all over the place where genre is concerned, but I particularly love the jazziness of Invisible Design.
He is mailny known for his work with Material (e.g. Hallucination Engine), Praxis (e.g. Transmutation), & Tabla Beat Science (e.g. Tala Matrix).
Edited by Captain Capricorn - June 19 2009 at 09:53 |
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