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Dalezilla

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Posted: June 11 2009 at 09:09

How about using the earliest release date?

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Posted: June 11 2009 at 09:12

^ sure - but how do we find that out? Unfortunately there isn't a global website that lists this kind of information. Well, I'm trying to implement it at PF, but I could use more volunteers ... Big smile

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Posted: June 11 2009 at 09:17

I've no idea how we would find that out, but if we were to use one I think the earliest one would be the way to go. There could still be abuse, but then again there always will. Using the last release date wouldn't be fair for the ones buying it at the first one.

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Posted: June 11 2009 at 15:32

harmonium.ro wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Generating traffic is another reason that I was aware of even before you posted this ... being a webmaster myself, I know how the game works. I'm not trying hard to promote my own website - it currently only has a pagerank of 2 - but I know that when your goal is to be the top ranked website for a newly released album, you have to get some interesting content onto that site before others do (if you don't, search engines won't find the page interesting and other websites won't link to it). So, for that reason postponing the reviews obviously is a bad idea ...

Yes, it's called commercialism, we know.

The only thing left to explain is why we'd need to diminish our professionalism and responsible attitude for that.

That's not called commercialism, but S.E.O. (Search Engine Optimisation). It's a part of the modern Online Marketing profession, and it's a very respectable and professional activity per se. It is, though, quite some controversy around some of those who do it, because they tend to abuse it.

IMO we should allow only Prog Reviewers and other Collaborators reviews before release date (if it's possible to create a mechanism for this). This way we gain more credibility overall for PA and more exposure for the Collaborators, which is a good thing.

I concur. I also think we should at least not allow ratings until the release date.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 02:42

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ sure - but how do we find that out? Unfortunately there isn't a global website that lists this kind of information.

Presumably we find out the release info the same way we find out all the other release info, it's not the work of genius. If we can discover the track listing, the label, the running time etc etc etc it's not a leap of faith to add the release date. Then however list's the album adds in the release date to the info and no reviews are eccpted prior to that date, other than of course the official reviews which should be ok'd by an admin.

Pre-release rating/reviews are damaging to the reputation of the site, and they encourage dubious practice. I picked up on the DT release because it's so big, but it could have been one of any number of releases it's a problem.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 03:04

^ don't be so sure. Release dates are often hard to find. Of course in this particular case, with a high profile band like Dream Theater, it's no big problem. Maybe that's also the solution: to implement this mechanism for high profile bands only.

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Posted: June 12 2009 at 03:11

Mike is correct.

Maintaining the PM release calendar over the last few months has shown me how hard it is, I can tell you.

Not only that but the release dates are changed regularly; to the extent that I now don't bother to keep up with the amendments any more. It happens that often!

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Posted: June 18 2009 at 10:30

As LiquidEternity just pointed out in Reviews Reporting Thread, Porcupine Tree's upcoming album, The Incident, has just been added to the database. Meanwhile, there are 3 months and 3 days left until the album is officially released.

Embracing for a new wave of fishy reviews, given the PT is just as popular as DT (if not even more), is an understatement. Two huge controversies in one year, on the same topic, will also be quite the achievement.

Oh well...

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Posted: June 18 2009 at 10:53

I think I'm going to add and review DT's next album, I mean, the successor to Black Clouds. It hasn't been announced and I have no info but what the hell, it may bring even more visitors to PA!!!

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Posted: June 18 2009 at 11:33

^ Yes! And cover your knowledge of the music as much as possible by overtly and as fanboyishly as you can describing how incredible they are and how they are the saviors of music forever and ever!

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Posted: June 18 2009 at 11:49

^Well... don't tell nobody but I kind of do that....

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Posted: June 18 2009 at 19:14

well- the 3 cd's are up on torrents... So look out for lots of incoming reviews from those unwilling to support the band.

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Posted: June 19 2009 at 01:53

I just downloaded the regular version from Amazon MP3 ... my goodness, if Roadrunner keep this up, what's next? A 10 CD limited edition?

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Posted: June 19 2009 at 02:22

Well PT's the Incident already has a 5.00 rating. At 3 and a half months before it's officially released it's already an essential album. I'm impressed now.

In any event, I'll probably get that one too. maybe it will make up for how dissapointed I was with FOABP.

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Posted: June 19 2009 at 10:49

I suppose re-iterating the request for any technical expertise that might help PA stop these reviews from being posted is too much to ask.

Don't ask admin or collabs to supervise album reviews 24 hours a day. 7 days a week, for months on end. that is not a reasonable way to do it.
And y'all should know that PA also cannot program a blanket "no album to be added" web fix, as this would lead to legit albums being barred also. Even getting a specific album denied would not deter someone to mispell the title.
So please, either come up with something doable, or live with it.
The very fact of a review being posted DOES NOT increase the illegal downloads in any way. Those who want it already know where to look. And PA is not it.

Edited by debrewguy - June 19 2009 at 10:50

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