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    Posted: June 10 2009 at 23:02

Lately I have noticed more edits by the admins, and while some of them struck me as unnecessarily heavy-handed, this is not the place to complain about their contents. Rather, I am taking issue with their form: editing a post while leaving no trace that it was ever edited, referred to as ghost-editing for brevity.

On every single forum I have ever been on or heard of, any ghost-edits would be considered unacceptable, yet it is common practice here. Why? I know that there's no technical reason because I've seen Easy Livin tag his edits, so props to you EL.

The problem, of course, is not that I think the admins are abusing their power, but everybody should be striving for transparency and it's not good for the potention to exist. For example, you have no idea whether or not the parentheses were originally part of my subject or if someone decided it would be funny to ghost-edit my thread on ghost-editing. Now, you can guess that I probably did write it, but if it disappears then there is no record of it ever existing besides our memories.

It also hinders communication. For example, a thread of mine recently was edited, and while I'm not outraged, I would like to ask the responsible admin about apparent discrepencies in their policies, but I can't because I have no idea who did it.

To close this rambling post, M@x should disable ghost-editing. There is never a good reason to ghost-edit and it's about time we were brought in line with the rest of the internet.





Edited by Henry Plainview - October 27 2009 at 15:35
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 06:08
Another forum I know (not music-based) allows the Admins to edit posts, but - just like other members - they have to explain why they did so, and the explanation appears at the bottom of the post together with the Admin's name and the edit date. 
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 06:22
I've always seen "Admin Notes" or edit mentions when they intervened.

I'm referring to posts, of course. About that thread title that was modified, shouldn't it mean that the opening post of the thread is modified per se, thus getting the "edit mention"?


Edited by Ricochet - June 11 2009 at 06:23
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 07:38
It's always been my experience that whenever a post is edited, the date/time/author of the edit shows at the foot of the post; now I'm not saying 'ghost editing' cannot be done, I'm just saying if it's possible, I for one do not know how to do it. In a vast majority of cases if an Admin chooses to edit a post, the reason would be in the edit or in a subsequent post.

Henry - if you believe you have been unfairly ghost edited, please let me know the location of the posts concerned.

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Also - are you referring to posts within a thread, or the thread title itself???

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^ I just added an extra ? to Jim's post. Notice how my edit is automatically recorded.

There's no such thing as ghosts.
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I've just removed "So" from Henry Plainview's opening post and it shows quite clearly that it has been edited.


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If you are referring to me editing a "swear" word from a thread title, well lets put it this way:

If I notify you that I have changed it then you are on a warning. If I edit a title then it should be obvious why! Confused

Best for me to just tut, shake my head, edit and slip back into the netherworld.




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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:


If you are referring to me editing a "swear" word from a thread title, well lets put it this way:If I notify you that I have changed it then you are on a warning. If I edit a title then it should be obvious why! ConfusedBest for me to just tut, shake my head, edit and slip back into the netherworld.

Yep!
But you are a   *sweetheart*                                     and furthermore  *I wuv U!*     *you are*                                                completely free of  *child support payments*                                                                ....thats what I think anyway!
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I don't think it shows up when you edit the title, does it?
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I don't think it shows up when you edit the title, does it?


It does. (Tony proved on this topic).

Editing the title means you edit the first post, means same rules apply.


Edited by Ricochet - June 11 2009 at 13:49
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:


If you are referring to me editing a "swear" word from a thread title, well lets put it this way:If I notify you that I have changed it then you are on a warning. If I edit a title then it should be obvious why! ConfusedBest for me to just tut, shake my head, edit and slip back into the netherworld.

Yep!
But you are a   *sweetheart*                                     and furthermore  *I wuv U!*     *you are*                                                completely free of  *child support payments*                                                                ....thats what I think anyway!
    *mole* holes!!!!


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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I don't think it shows up when you edit the title, does it?



I don't know ... by the way, your current signature is 'the best signature ever' ... hilarious.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 13:54
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:


If you are referring to me editing a "swear" word from a thread title, well lets put it this way:If I notify you that I have changed it then you are on a warning. If I edit a title then it should be obvious why! ConfusedBest for me to just tut, shake my head, edit and slip back into the netherworld.

Yep!
But you are a   *sweetheart*                                     and furthermore  *I wuv U!*     *you are*                                                completely free of  *child support payments*                                                                ....thats what I think anyway!
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No, it doesnt show up when you edit the title of a thread. That's the only time as far as I know.


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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 16:16
I freely admit I edit thread titles for spelling, punctuation and (if at all possible) grammar.
 
Really, people should at least check their thread titles on a spell checker before opening a thread for all to see. Don't think of me as being heavy handed - just as a vigilant spell-checker.
 
If that's a problem...
 
 
What?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2009 at 16:35
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

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Neither did I!Confused


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My Phil Collins thread got edited, but no note was made at the bottom of my initial post.  What gives?
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The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.


Yes, but Phil Collins is the drummer for Genesis, a prog band in the database.

If I made a poll involving the vocals of Trevor Rabin in Yes (who is not in PA as a solo artist but is a guitarist and vocalist for Yes), would someone have to edit my title to "Trevor Rabin (with Yes)!"
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.


Yes, but Phil Collins is the drummer for Genesis, a prog band in the database.

If I made a poll involving the vocals of Trevor Rabin in Yes (who is not in PA as a solo artist but is a guitarist and vocalist for Yes), would someone have to edit my title to "Trevor Rabin (with Yes)!"

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. Besides the content of the poll is about Genesis songs, whatever the title.

Make a stand! Re-edit it!Wink
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