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Epignosis 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
 Posted: May 08 2009 at 08:04 |
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Again, I don't think a half-star system is necessary, but of course, that's one fellow's opinion.
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The Whistler
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113 |
Posted: May 08 2009 at 01:17 |
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Oh no. No no no. I've worked out my own little system WITHIN the five point system. A ten point system would drive me nuts. Probably. Actually, no, it probably wouldn't. But that's beside the point. I'd have to...gasp...EDIT REVIEWS! Webber. |
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progrules
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
Posted: May 08 2009 at 01:08 |
Me too
 . Don't forget this is a constant recurring theme ! And it would satisfy many reviewers, I'm very sure of that. And also Ivan's idea to leave it at that and make that very clear could solve the problem of constant new proposals in the ratingsystem. |
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The T
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 22:09 |
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^That's the idea Ivan... Brilliant... I'm all for it...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 18:22 |
In this case, those who want to change their ratings can do it, and those who don't want or can, will have no problem, being that it's still a 5 stars system and thei 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 stars will ve as valid as before the change. And also notify that no more changes will be done in this.
Cheers
Iván
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debrewguy
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 17:59 |
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I've been going through Saga's catalogue as I come across their albums. I felt kind of bad about the ratings I gave on Images & Silent Knight, because it brought down the overall score. But then, if that is the biggest concern, are you trying to rate the album or the standing ?
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progrules
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Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 01:40 |
I totally agree with you, Robert. that's exactly how it works with me. Once you get to know certain reviewers that have more or less the same taste as you, not only the reviews but also the ratings are very significant.
And as I also said in another thread: leaving the ratings completely out is a very bad idea because you can't start to read all 200.000 reviews here to find a good album. The ratings are a starting point to give a first impression and then you read the reviews. Also the subgenres are essential in this respect of course !
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 01:01 |
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So many excellent points made against a new system. I feel taking away the ratings completely would lessen the overall ease of access effectiveness PA makes available for glance suggestions. I also think that adding more points to the system would make too much importance be put in ratings, when I do agree that the review itself is much more important than any number. The 5 star system forces you to fight harder to arrive at a decision, and perhaps ensures more quality reviews in all. I feel it gives weight to the glance suggestion, and doesn't devolve into streams of covertly meaningless numbers. Not that I have added much, but I felt like wasting time offering my opinion.
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65244 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 00:28 |
* spits cookies on to screen * |
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Henry Plainview
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Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: May 07 2009 at 00:25 |
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The reason I want half stars is because there are many albums that I like enough that I don't want to lower their rating from a 4.3, but I don't think I can legitimately give five stars to. I suspect the reason is the same for many of the other proponents, but unfortunately that would soon lead to ratings inflation and the problem would begin again. But the half stars as a slippery slope argument is kind of silly. |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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debrewguy
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:58 |
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And next , we'll be asking for a piece of Pi
 You work with what you got. 5, 10, 20. Like Slarti says - why stop at any given number. Heck, how many numbers after the decimal - " I would give this album 274.2918171932049, but instead I'll round it up to 274.2918171932050 because that second to last note in the flugelhorn solo on track 6 is just mind blowing. " Or to quote Buzz Lightyear - "To infinity ... and beyond !"  Picky person #1 - "SEBTP is a masterpiece that deserves to outrank all others - therefore, I believe that Infinity plus one is the only score I can give ". Picky person # 2 - "I disagree, WYWH is better, and I give it infinty plus 2.4." Normal person (un-numbered) -" I really love Harmonium's Cinq Saisons. I reminds me of my last year of university and a girl I met. Somehow, the music, even at that time, takes me away in a dream". Which one really gives you anything ? |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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M@X
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Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4028 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:55 |
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@StyLaZyn: Of course !!!
Edited by M@X - May 06 2009 at 15:56 |
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Prog On !
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:54 |
So in other words, you would be allowing people to change their ratings.
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M@X
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Co-founder, Admin & Webmaster Joined: January 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4028 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:42 |
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To StyLaZyn:
1. It's endless , 10 pts, then 10pts with 0.5, then 100 , then 99.9 ... 2. Because every time we need to change or adapt the system, we must take into considerationthe 175 000 ratings done with the 5 stars and find a way to updrade them to the new system. |
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Prog On !
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:32 |
And why would that be a bad thing?
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M@X
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Posted: May 06 2009 at 15:23 |
  Edited by M@X - May 06 2009 at 15:23 |
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Prog On !
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:39 |
Yeppers. I dislike it when people imply it's a slippery slope or something to up the system to 10 points. Do you really feel an 82/100 album is as different from an 83/100 albums as a 8/10 album is from a 9/10 album. If so then...I really don't know how to respond to that. |
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 14:30 |
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I'm confused...when/where does the rounding take place? Isn't traditional scientific rounding used?
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lazland
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Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13626 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:29 |
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It's an absolute certainty, and I would be willing to wager a lot of money on this, that if the site moved to a 10 star system, someone, fairly quickly, would award an album 8.5 stars because they thought the album was in between the two
The points made re averaging out are well made, and I also agree with Epignosis. There are reviewers and members/collaborators on this site who I trust to make a sound judgement. Actually, he is one of them  |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: May 06 2009 at 13:20 |
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I prefer the 5 star system in place. It forces me to think more critically about the music in order to assign a rating to it, which in turn, I think, makes my reviews a little better.
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