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Windhawk
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:37 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Oh well, another Ikarran frequenting this thread... |
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Logan
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:37 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mention of "Third Stone from the Sun" got me to check out that track again. Haven't listened to it in ages (definitely time to dig up my old JH cassettes). It does have a really nice Canterburyish touch to it too. One may not consider it Prog, but it fits my progressive rock parameters.
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Raff
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:38 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Ikarran?
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Windhawk
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:39 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nerd reference. Babylon 5, season one - an episode called Infection ;-) |
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micky
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:39 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
mine too.... |
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Raff
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:41 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I know a few fans of that series, but I've never watched it, so I am still in the dark... |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:44 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
One might conclude your's is the mind with the virus. This is the only Progressive Rock site to call upon Jimi Hendrix into it's anals. Yes, as in bringing him here through the backdoor. |
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Windhawk
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:51 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Hendrix has been a part of the artist list of Progressive Ears for some time already ;-)
And from the New Gibraltar site: Psychedelic (Rock) A major precursor to the progressive rock of the 70s is the psychedelic rock of the late 60s, which is too vast a field to cover in detail here yet is intertwined inextricably with its musical offspring. This genre/qualifier covers a large amount of territory in common with progressive rock and mostly concerns itself with a mind-expanding approach associated with hallucinogenic and surreal imagery and its equivalent musical relationship. Bands falling within this style are often cross-genre (see VIII. Unclassified for examples) and vary from the early pioneers such as the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, Pink Floyd, Country Joe & The Fish, Small Faces, and Strawberry Alarm Clock to those more experimental and obscure groups that hinted the way towards future progressive music such as Silver Apples, United States of America, Mandrake Memorial and Fifty Foot Hose. ---- The latter of which makes the addition into the Proto-Prog pretty obvious - or at least not remarkable.. That is - unless one have the opinion that the people at New Gibraltar and progressive ears doesn't have a clue about what they are doing that is ;-) Oh - the Proggnosis website have Hendrix listed as prog-related. So there's three rather influential websites besides PA that all have stated his influence on progressive rock one way or the other. All of them prior to the addition here. Edited by Windhawk - April 14 2009 at 15:57 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:54 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Here`s a Coryell quote that I included at the opening of the bio I wrote a few years ago for the site : " The greatest musician who ever lived as far as I`m concerned is Jimi Hendrix, but I hate him because he took everything away from me that was mine." Coryell was playing circles around Hendrix stylistically in the late sixties man. |
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Tony R
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:55 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
C'mon even if you dont agree with the addition, it's hardly a stretch to add Hendrix to Proto. To dismiss his first two albums as regular Blues should disbar you from the discussion on grounds of lack of knowledge,.
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Tony R
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:57 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Alternatively you could say that your quote proves that Hendrix should be here. Coryell-copyist or not, Hendrix was the attention-grabber and it is he who influenced so many Psych/Prog musicians. Hendrix is a shoe-in for Proto-Prog, a no brainer!! |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 15:59 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Far from regular blues but I can`t see any connection between Hendrix and art/prog rock except for the fact that he almost hooked up with Kieith Emerson in between the Nice and ELP.
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Tony R
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:03 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
No connection between Psychedelia, blues and Prog/Art Rock? You're posting in your sleep flyboy... |
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Logan
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:11 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think it fair to include Hendrix as a progressive artist who played a role in the transition between Psychadelic Rock and Progressive Rock.
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darkshade
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:18 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
yea he was also supposed to hook up with Miles Davis for a session or 2 the day he (Hendrix) died. which reminds me how much influence he also had on jazz rock guitarists during the early 70s and beyond. Pete Cosey, haha. Or as i like to call him, Super-Hendrix |
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micky
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:24 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
^ yeah but if one thinks he was added just because of being the greatest influential guitarist ever... people would have a reason to bitch about the addition. As the bio noted thankfully... he is here because of the music.he did put out and relation to proto-prog as any good addition should. Otherwise we would add James Jamerson and all kinds of Motown to Prog Related. James was the Hendrix of bass... you can trace his influence and style in every bassist that ever picked up an instrument.
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Garion81
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:26 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Don't mean to laugh out loud but that last sentence could reflect any of the bands and their audiences between 1965 and 1975.
On another point is not so much did Jimi Hendrix write prog intentionally or not is the question did his work influence those we have come to know as Prog and the answer is yes. If you want to argue whether or not was it a minimal contribution over a great contribution go right ahead to say there was none is not correct. Edited by Garion81 - April 14 2009 at 16:39 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 16:34 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Not accurate Olav: This doesn't mean we have to follow other sites, but we shouldn't use his precense in other sites as an argument if ioit's not correct.
Let's see one by one_
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1.- GEPR doesn't have Jimi Hendrinx in their database, this is the H list
Headband
Healing Road, The Heaven's Cry Heavy The World Hecenia Hedges, Michael Hedren, Johan Heimat Heinz, Herb Heldon Helicopter Hellborg, Jonas Hellebore Helmerson, Anders Helmet of Gnats Henry Cow Hepp, Hardy Here and Now Heretic Hermetic Science Heroic Verse Hess, Klaus Hidria Spacefolk Hieronymus Bosch High Tide High Wheel Hillage, Steve Hines, David Hinn Islenski Thursaflokkur Hirayama, Terutsugu Hitchings, Tracy Hobbits Hoelderlin Hoenig, Michael Hokus Poke Holde Fee Holding Pattern Holdsworth, Allan Holland, Walter Holy Lamb Honeyelk Hooters, The Hopper, Hugh Horizont (Sweden) Horizont (USSR) Horizonte Horky, Robert Julian Horrific Child Horslips Høst Hot Fur House of Usher Howard, James Newton However Höyry-Kone Hughscore Human Beast, The Hurdy Gurdy Hush Hwong, Lucia Hyacintus Hyaena Hÿdra Hydravion He is probably mentioned in one article but not added to their database, so not Prog or related for them.
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2.- Progressiveears has Hendrix included but their system is different to ours, they include albums not artists:
And they say
And Live at Berkley 2003 (The only albums they mention,) but the word Progressive Rock isn't mentioned a single time....BTW: They also include Jerry Lee Lewis
And William Shatner
All quotes from www.progressiveears .com
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3,. Jimi Hendrix is not in Proggnosis database.
As a fact they only add three Jimi Hendrix Tributes because the artists who play this tributes are Prog
So tributes to Hendrix by Prog artists are added to Proggnosis but Hendrix himself not, because they don't consider Jimi Hendrix related to Prog at all.
I believe Hendrix has a case here, but we are the first site who considers Jimmy Hendrix an integral part of it's database, because Progressive Ears includes a lot of non Prog albums and the word Prog is not mentioned in any Hendrix review, that's a fact. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 14 2009 at 16:47 |
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Tony R
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 17:05 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Do they have Proto-Prog at these sites, if not then his omission is understandable.
Iván, you do understand Proto-Prog don't you? I mean you did write the definition...
This seems to sit easily with the ProgEars review:
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Windhawk
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 17:09 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Okies - I stand corrected for the Proggnosis reference.
He's still listed at Prog Ears though: Hendrix, Jimi One of the greatest innovators of the electric guitar, some may say he is the greatest guitarist of all time? And he is referenced as a prog related artist at New Gibraltar, even if not included in the artist directory (which I didn't imply that he was either). Still - it does disprove the statement made by someone else here: "This is the only Progressive Rock site to call upon Jimi Hendrix into it's anals. Yes, as in bringing him here through the backdoor." Which was my point. I have no strong opinions about this addition one way or the other - but I am getting pretty tired of keyboard ninjas using every opportunity to ditch of vengeful spite whenever someone in here makes a decision they disagree with - rather than argue in a more reasonable manner like you exemplified earlier in this thread. |
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