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darkshade 
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 Posted: April 07 2009 at 19:22 |
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overrating things is overrated
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 19:24 |
 darkshade wrote:
overrating things is overrated
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I bet that statement is overrated.
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darkshade
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 19:27 |
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JLocke
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 19:57 |
Negoba wrote:
You know who'd sound really good with DT?
That guy from OSI
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That killed me, man. 
Too bad he's an a****le, or else the DT guys may have patched things up with him.
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JLocke
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 20:01 |
My opinion . . .
Yes, they are, but not because they aren't any good. Mainly because I don't see why they are considered so influential.
Images & Words was a fantastic album. Pretty much everything on that record was done right. From that point on the band gradually became more and more self-absorbed until now, they aren't really doing anything that special, with the exception of a couple records (SfaM, 8VM).
John Myung is the most tasteful player in the band, and what does he get for his genious playing? Turned way, way down in the final mix.
It's stuff like that that really bothers me. As musicians, they are really good, but as a band, they fizzled out years ago.
My opinion.
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Negoba
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 20:58 |
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Kevin Moore brought two desperately needed elements to DT, melody and texture. OSI's biggest downfall is that his voice can't match his songwriting. Sadly, he actually had the chops to hang with the rest of the guys, but he wanted it his own way so we get his depressive stuff which is cool in its own way but they definitely were better together.
My only DT gig was Moore's last tour with them (dates me terribly) but it was a very memorable evening.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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JLocke
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 21:03 |
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^ Personally, I think both Kevin and Derek were better fits with the band than Jordan. And I love the guy, he seems nice and has some excellent chops, but I dunno . . . too many virtuosos in one outfit can seriousely cripple a band's songwriting ability.
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The T
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 21:35 |
I'm just so happy that conspicuous DT haters continue to post on this thread....
That's such a signal of frustration.... |
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tszirmay
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 22:27 |
I voted no because I cannot overate something that I don't like in the first place. DT leaves me indifferent, I see nothing special there, except for a great rhytm section. As for the other three, chopzilla for musician wannabes. Like another colleague mentioned here, great musicians do not always make great music.
File is growing : no like Stones, no like DT . What's next?  |
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Failcore
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 22:49 |
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I don't know. I know personally, that a lot of their music is pretty awesome, but the lyrics make me seriously facepalm sometimes. If you don't give a rip about lyrics (which most proggers don't) then they're great.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 04:48 |
Compared to Tool, Dream Theater are very underrated however compared to Kansas, Dream Theater are very overrated. << I honestly believe that ! 
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 05:49 |
I've been reading this thread and my comment is simply "to each, his own". Anyone with any musical talent cannot help but respect DT and it's individual members as their music is highly complex relating to instrument wizardry. The only equal that I can find to DT in the individual instrument skill is Deep Purple who I believe is the main driving influence behind DT. Musical w**kery?? - those that say that have got it right. But that is what Dream Theater are actually about. Sorry for you guys who don't like listening to skill being proven.
If I want to hear extreme skill I listen to DT - if I want to hear extreme melody then I listen to Camel. They each have a place in my music collection as do many others for various different resons.
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proggy
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 07:45 |
progkidjoel wrote:
Well to begin with, I think DT are Over rated. Sure, they are incredibly technically talented, but I feel as a Prog Metal band, they have a long way to come before they deserve any more of my money.
First of all, I find them to be incredibly unexpressive. Some songs are an exception, (Wait for sleep, Surrounded) but overall, I find their lyrics to be incredibly shallow and often ridiculously lame.
Second of all, DT show off way too much. It seems to me when they are writing a new song/album, John Petrucci must sit there wondering where he could fit a guitar solo. DT do a lot better when they stick to some basic themes and softer melodies.
Third of all, they aren't very compositionally talented. For example, "Take The Time." It has good solos, terribly lame lyrics and overall bad vibes for me. I listen to prog to relax and feel some emotion, Not to listen to incredibly unoriginal guitar solos and cheesy lyrics.
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I don't know. Are You.
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trili
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 07:59 |
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Yes they are. They are very good at playing odd time meters at very fast tempos, they just don't take you anywhere. And I don't think they haver their own sound/tone as a band. They sound like any metal band that has money to afford a very good studio. I think their first record is underrated. It had a distinct sound. But that's just me...
Edited by trili - April 08 2009 at 08:00
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micky
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 08:05 |
DavetheSlave wrote:
The only equal that I can find to DT in the individual instrument skill is Deep Purple who I believe is the main driving influence behind DT. |
huh... I always thought it was Brubeck myself 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Visitor13
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 08:09 |
trili wrote:
Yes they are. They are very good at playing odd time meters at very fast tempos, they just don't take you anywhere. And I don't think they haver their own sound/tone as a band. They sound like any metal band that has money to afford a very good studio. I think their first record is underrated. It had a distinct sound. But that's just me...
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Not sure I agree that their first had a distinct sound (quite a lot of Rush in that album), but I agree that it's underrated. It's one of the few things by them that I can still listen to with any degree of pleasure. Charlie Domenici was nothing special as a singer, but at least he wasn't worse than LaBrie.
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Raff
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 08:19 |
Deep Purple  ?
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JayDee
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 08:20 |
Your signature is overrated micky. I like Portnoy's shirt though.
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micky
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 08:24 |
hehehhe being overrated is a good thing.. better than being underrated hahhah I love it myself....Henry did a nice job with it... and they never looked better 
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mr.cub
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 12:13 |
micky wrote:
DavetheSlave wrote:
The only equal that I can find to DT in the individual instrument skill is Deep Purple who I believe is the main driving influence behind DT. |
huh... I always thought it was Brubeck myself
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Wait...Rush isn't in this conversation? 
Anyway, if DT is mainly influenced by Deep Purple, as you say, would they not have more tasteful keyboard work? I don't really pay attention to the origins of progressive metal but I'm pretty sure Deep Purple is not the main driving influence behind DT.
And you could have all the instrumental skill in the world and write lousy material. Thankfully for Deep Purple that was not the case, with DT the question begs to be asked.
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