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Points: 8581 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 14:43
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Wanting to delete an old inadequate review, feel free to PM me (or Eay Livin') and we can do the job.
 
Please don't forget to inform the review number and to promise to submit a new one asap. Smile
 
Thanks, I will do that, when I think of something more adequate to say. Thumbs%20Up
 
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2007 at 15:16
No problem Slarty, drop us a PM with the details of the reviews to be zapped.
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Points: 234 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2007 at 22:49
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

What about this young abuser?
 
1%20stars DOORS, THE - Absolutely Live
1%20stars DOORS, THE - L.A. Woman
1%20stars DOORS, THE - Morrison Hotel
1%20stars DOORS, THE - Strange Days
1%20stars DOORS, THE - The Best Of The Doors
1%20stars DOORS, THE - The Doors
1%20stars DOORS, THE - The Soft Parade
1%20stars DOORS, THE - Waiting For The Sun
1%20stars DREAM THEATER - Awake
1%20stars DREAM THEATER - Images And Words
1%20stars DREAM THEATER - Live at Budokan
1%20stars DREAM THEATER - Live Scenes From New York
1%20stars DREAM THEATER - Scenes From A Memory Metropolis Part II
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - A New World Record
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Discovery
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Eldorado: A Symphony
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Electric Light Orchestra (No Answer)
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Electric Light Orchestra II
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Face the Music
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Live at Wembley '78
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Live at Winterland '76
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - On the Third Day
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Out of the Blue
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - The Night the Light Went On In Long Beach
5%20stars ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Time
 
This is not the perfect representation of his ratings, amongst which are also 2,3 and 4-star ratings, but doesn't this make anyone else alert?
 
 
 


He gave Argus a 1/5?!?  He can't possibly have heard it!  Destroy this fool!
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2007 at 20:31
I think we should add some sort of coding that states (up until the release date of the album, after which the page will return to the normal reviewing process):
 
If you would like the review this album before its release date, send a PM to ______ stating your legitimacy as a promotional reviewer.
 
Unitl the release date, no one but the approved people should be able to review or rate albums.
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Points: 782 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2008 at 21:34
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

   I still believe that you should not be allowed to rate an album unless you review it.


I agree. Then you won't end up with stuff like this:

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=6701

How likely is it that a single person has listened to over FIVE THOUSAND prog albums even once? If this person listened to each of the albums s/he reviewed only ONCE, it would still take two and a half years at eight hours a day!

Perhaps the person is a DJ - that's the only conceivable way they might have racked up that many albums. And you'd hope s/he'd listened to them many more times than once.

And not one single review!

Perhaps the worst case or rating abuse I've seen.
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Re : collab ID 6701 -
1) 5000 albums is not that out of reach. I own some 2000 CDs. Many are compilations made up of 2 albums per CD, in some cases 1 or a few songs left off the album(s) that I didn't like; while others are basically anthologies. I've bought,sold, traded, borrowed, lent, burnt & had copies burnt. The "best of" ones in my collection were time consuming and sometimes costly (Tull & Crimson's out put being rather large), but I did give each album more than one good listen before deciding which songs I kept.
On top of that, over the 30 years that I have been buying music, I've disposed of a good 500 albums. Some were sold/traded because of the above process, some I simply didn't want anymore. Example - Purple's gig with the Philharmonic, the Rush live albums after The whole worlds a stage, and some that I eventually did not like that I transferred to mix cassettes/CDs the songs I liked.
I do hope that any review is based on more than a single passing listen. I do wonder though how some of the 1000 album plus reviewers (not just raters) are able to give appropriate time to ensure each album gets a decent listen.
Reason - I am at a point, or rather have been for a while, where I cannot honestly claim to know ALL or MOST of my albums inside out. The older or more popular ones I can. More recent purchases, though, while enjoying regular play, I can only state that I love the music, but could not from memory name most songs individually. Heck, even a few Gentle Giant, Ange, and Motorhead albums form part of this group. And yes, s few of those are among my favourites (GG's first, Ange' Seve QUi Peut, Mo'head's INferno)
So, I would question not just this particular person, but some others here who manage prodigious amounts of reviews.
But then, hey, who knows, maybe they have put in that much time. But maybe not, eh.
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Points: 7606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 12:58
what? that's not abuse ;P drain-o's ratings have been useful to me before. and just because you review in a way that takes up a lot of time doesn't mean that everyone else should.

I'd just like to remind everyone that "abuse" is not "using the site in a different way to mine". =P =P =P
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 13:01
he certainly has an eclectic mix of prog "masterpieces"
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Points: 782 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 19:35
Fair play, laplace, I don't have any complaint if other people find this 'rating without review' useful. You're the first to say so.

I'm not calling his/her tastes into question. I'm arguing that it must have been difficult to rate 5000+ albums over an 18-month period (the gap between his/her enrolment and last visit) as it would have taken over two years, at eight hours per day, just to listen to 5000 albums once each.

I have over 2000 albums, about half of which are prog or related.  I try to review one per day, but life gets in the way. If it's an album I'm familiar with I may only listen to it once (while I'm writing the review), but new albums need five or more spins before I feel confident enough to write about them.

I can certainly understand other people being much more decisive in their musical tastes and being able to review a new album after one listen. That's not 'abuse'. I can't, though: too many times my opinion of an album has changed after a few listens.

However, I could have spent an afternoon rating my entire collection. Does anyone think that would have been of more use?

Or do we think it OK to rate albums without listening to them? If this user rated albums without listening to them, that would, to my mind, be 'abuse'. And because there is no accompanying review, surely that suspicion must remain.
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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 20:31
As I can recall Drain-O lives alone in the remote Bouvet Island (South Atlantic)... maybe his only amusement is to hear prog albums, no? Wink
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Points: 782 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 21:47
Indeed! And perhaps he might struggle to express himself to his own satisfaction in English. It's a shame, though. I would like to know the thoughts of someone with such a broad musical palette.

'Abuse' accusation withdrawn. Russell mollified.
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Points: 1049 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 19:06
Somebody has given Pendragon Pure an early 1 star rating ... maybe these needs to be fixed up Thumbs%20Up 
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2008 at 04:46
Looks like the rating has been removed.
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Points: 2696 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2008 at 14:58
For a reference point, I can assure you that NO review copies have gone out, or will indeed go out other than to 2 trusted magazine reviwers. The earliest copies available to people will be 20th/21st Sept at the launch weekend. Any ratings/"reviews" prior to that time (at the earliest) are simply blarney!
 
Thanks to Yorkie X for spotting that, I'm trying to check it each day now that the album has been listed, but a small matter of production workload means it's not always possible!
 
Please pass on names for raters or reviewers prior to this time, I am sure the BPI will find their details interesting! Wink
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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2009 at 12:22
I don't know why people would do that. If everyone that hated Genesis did that SEBTP would have a 2 star average. Good job pointing that out.

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Points: 2815 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 12:59
http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=21412
 
2 extreme ratings for an unreleased album?
Bigger on the inside.
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Points: 1119 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2009 at 15:50

Hehe, I was wondering, after seeing the album review in the weekly PA feed, that the album shouldn't be out yet, at least as far as I know. This seems to explain some of it.



Edited by Passionist - February 03 2009 at 15:51
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Points: 216 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2009 at 04:43
And now Dream Theater's latest has 2 5-star ratings despite no music being available...
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Points: 25210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2009 at 05:17
^Which brings up the point, if the album hasn't even been released, surely a Progreviewer would be more responsible to even add an album with the potential for ratings abuse?
I would never add an album that isn't legally available and I think that should be the case for all members of the site.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2009 at 13:56
M@x is keen to ensure that information about albums, especially popular ones, is listed as soon as it is made public.
 
The info for the album has now been updated making it clear that ratings only and reviews not based on official promo copies will be deleted.
 
 
 
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