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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

What about Thick as a Brick?


I don't think two- or multiple-parts epics count in this case.
 
History lesson:
 
A long time ago, recorded music was recorded on something called an LP.  An LP was a two sided hunk of plastic, with a maximum recording length per side of 20 to 25 minutes.  (You could push past those limits, but it hurt the fidelity of the recording.)
 
Thick as a Brick was originally recorded during those Dark Ages.  As such, it was split because it had to be split.
 
This is the same reason that Karn Evil Nine First Impression has that long sample and hold segment in the middle.  You flipped the "LP" over.
 
As such, I would count Thick as a Brick as one long piece, not two.  It's still not the longest, but it is long.
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Originally posted by fcoulter fcoulter wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

What about Thick as a Brick?


I don't think two- or multiple-parts epics count in this case.
 
History lesson:
 
A long time ago, recorded music was recorded on something called an LP.  An LP was a two sided hunk of plastic, with a maximum recording length per side of 20 to 25 minutes.  (You could push past those limits, but it hurt the fidelity of the recording.)
 
Thick as a Brick was originally recorded during those Dark Ages.  As such, it was split because it had to be split.
 
This is the same reason that Karn Evil Nine First Impression has that long sample and hold segment in the middle.  You flipped the "LP" over.
 
As such, I would count Thick as a Brick as one long piece, not two.  It's still not the longest, but it is long.


I thought of the "history lesson" before posting.

But if so, I would have expected for the two-parts issue to be dropped, once remastered on CD.

*looks at his Thick as a Brick, Tangerine Dream & others CDs*

Still two parts!

Jethro Tull's case is plausible, and Passion Play deserves to be called a one long piece even more than TaaB, since it's virtually cut in the middle of the hare story. TaaB p.I has a finale feeling, only to later resume from the same point, and explore more themes in p.II.

Other artists have composed significantly different "parts" of the virtually same long epic.
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I wish they would have kept 6 degrees as one track as well, even though it is "One song", each section is singled out. If they did that, it would make it easier to listen to the whole song when your iPod is on "shuffle" LOL

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Well I would personally start with the most known "long song" maker from the 70's; Mike Oldfield. A large amount of his albums contain ultra-supre-uber-crazy long 40 minute epics, and the later the years get in the discography, the longer the songs tend to get.

If you want something new and fresh, check out "Sleeping in Traffic" by Beardfish (35 minuteish)
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Originally posted by OzzProg OzzProg wrote:



If you want something new and fresh, check out "Sleeping in Traffic" by Beardfish (35 minuteish)


amen brother... ..proud to have been the first champion of that piece of music... they preformed it long before it went on the album.  It was a shop stopper live... the beer tent was empty.. hell.. even the line at Greg Walker's stall emptied LOL
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Everyone seems to exclaim that live Beardfish is better than a large pile of gold shipped to your front door.
After so much praise, my dream is to see them live at NEARFest, but it seems tickets are hard to get a hold on. Oh well, I'm sure they'll be mega-prog stars in no time, doing world tours (including Canada) and what not.

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Another suggestion would be the Psychedelic "The Sky Moves Sideways (Alternate Version)" by Porcupine Tree. Its a bonus track that merges TKMS Phases 1 and 2 together, to create a mind blowing journey.

And one more suggestion; the often neglected Ikon by Todd Rundgren's Utopia (its better than his pop, trust me!)
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Originally posted by OzzProg OzzProg wrote:

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Everyone seems to exclaim that live Beardfish is better than a large pile of gold shipped to your front door.
After so much praise, my dream is to see them live at NEARFest, but it seems tickets are hard to get a hold on. Oh well, I'm sure they'll be mega-prog stars in no time, doing world tours (including Canada) and what not.



I did a write up on that show here in '06.. think it was their first show in the states...  I don't exaggerate...  when they finished.. you could hear a pin drop before massive applause errupted.. it was stunning... definitely catch them when or if you can.  Prog gods willing... they will be mega-stars... great group of guys as well.  Had to chance to BS with them for an hour or so after the show. 
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Lands End has a piece called "Aquiesce the martinets precept" (whatever that means) and it drones pleasantly on for 53 minutes 11 secs. 
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Eno's Thursday Afternoon just a tad over 60 minutes...

Also, there's Devil Doll's The Sacrilege of Fatal Arms, which clocks in at 79:03.


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Acquiesce to the Martinets Precept , by Lands end from lastest Lower Depths is around 53 mins
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Mike oldfields Amarok 60min, is the one i whuld put my money on.
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Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

john cage's one song is about 400 years long, currently still being recorded.

 
hahaha...knowing Cage, everybit of it is written on sheet music...And actually if everything is music as he states, the song has been going on a little more than 400 years!!!

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Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

john cage's one song is about 400 years long, currently still being recorded.

 
hahaha...knowing Cage, everybit of it is written on sheet music...And actually if everything is music as he states, the song has been going on a little more than 400 years!!!
well the idea is that you hold a note for as long as possible and let it fade out completely before playing the next one. So he probably did write out the whole thing. Unfortunately some fanatics put this song to be played on an organ....which holds its notes indefinitely. If I remember correctly, once every now and again someone comes in and rearrainges the bricks which hold down the notes.
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Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

john cage's one song is about 400 years long, currently still being recorded.

 
hahaha...knowing Cage, everybit of it is written on sheet music...And actually if everything is music as he states, the song has been going on a little more than 400 years!!!
well the idea is that you hold a note for as long as possible and let it fade out completely before playing the next one. So he probably did write out the whole thing. Unfortunately some fanatics put this song to be played on an organ....which holds its notes indefinitely. If I remember correctly, once every now and again someone comes in and rearrainges the bricks which hold down the notes.
 
Yeah I was thinking of 4'33 as well with the blank sheet music and song that was essentially a long rest...in that case the song only lasted 4 minutes and 33 seconds, he ceratinly had some interesting ideas

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Here's the 5 longest tracks I have (done as one track, so no 6DOIT, Voyage 34):

Sleep - 'Dopesmoker' (63:13)
Porcupine Tree - 'The Sky Moves Sideways (Alternate Version)'  (34:42)
Monster Magnet - 'Tab' (32:12)
Dream Theater - 'Octavarium' (24:00)
Dream Theater - 'A Change Of Seasons' (23:09)

Strangely, the track length by the stoner metal bands outdo the prog rockers/metallers ...
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by fcoulter fcoulter wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

What about Thick as a Brick?


I don't think two- or multiple-parts epics count in this case.
 
History lesson:
 
A long time ago, recorded music was recorded on something called an LP.  An LP was a two sided hunk of plastic, with a maximum recording length per side of 20 to 25 minutes.  (You could push past those limits, but it hurt the fidelity of the recording.)
 
Thick as a Brick was originally recorded during those Dark Ages.  As such, it was split because it had to be split.
 
This is the same reason that Karn Evil Nine First Impression has that long sample and hold segment in the middle.  You flipped the "LP" over.
 
As such, I would count Thick as a Brick as one long piece, not two.  It's still not the longest, but it is long.


I thought of the "history lesson" before posting.

But if so, I would have expected for the two-parts issue to be dropped, once remastered on CD.

*looks at his Thick as a Brick, Tangerine Dream & others CDs*

Still two parts!

Jethro Tull's case is plausible, and Passion Play deserves to be called a one long piece even more than TaaB, since it's virtually cut in the middle of the hare story. TaaB p.I has a finale feeling, only to later resume from the same point, and explore more themes in p.II.

Other artists have composed significantly different "parts" of the virtually same long epic.
 
I tend to agree with Raff here.  Just because CD companies don't like to put out CDs with one long track doesn't mean that it isn't one song.  Somebody call up Ian Anderson and see what he says Big smile.
 
Anyway, the longest song in my prog collection is Amarok by Mike Oldfield at 60 min 2 sec


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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence by Dream Theater is 42 minutes long.

Garden of Dreams by The Flower Kings is 59 minutes long.


Yeah, but 6 Degrees is not technically one track though.
It's a single concept thing, but it's divided into individual tracks technically.
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Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Not everything here is progressive rock .- but a good list of songs with epic length can be seen here.

Most interesting!
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence by Dream Theater is 42 minutes long.

Garden of Dreams by The Flower Kings is 59 minutes long.


Yeah, but 6 Degrees is not technically one track though.
It's a single concept thing, but it's divided into individual tracks technically.

The key word is "technically". And now you know, and knowing is half the battle!
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