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~Rael~
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Topic: Bad Lyrics in Prog Posted: February 23 2009 at 17:36 |
I am going to use one band to illustrate the worst of this plague on prog. Aryeon. Now, I'm sorry if I offended some Ayreon fans, but the lyrics he writes are just plain awful. It seems like this is the case with a lot of prog bands, and it seems as if it is most prevailant in prog metal. Now, I single out Aryeon because they seem the worst. Bad lyrics, for me, our lyrics that take away from the music. They are bad enough to make me cringe when I hear them. Maybe it's because I'm an English major and have read a lot of poetry, but I don't think this is the case. My dad, who hasn't read more than a few poems in his life, agrees.
Now, don't get me wrong. I like Ayreon. But the lyrics make it hard. I have there newest album and "The Human Equation" (I think that's the name of it). I got to like THE, but it took some work. I don't know if I will accomplish the same thing with 001011001110101001. I've only listened to the first CD, which has its moments, but I hope the second CD is better, especially lyrically, but I'm not holding my breath on that count.
Now, I don't want to pick only on Ayreon, so I wil risk making other people angry by listing some other bands I find this trend in, and again, my definition of bad lyrics is only when it takes away from the music. I don't read lyrics and anlyze them, it is pretty much what I hear. So, those bands are Dream Theater, Symphony X, Thought Chamber, The Flower Kings, and to an extent Evergrey, though I only have one of thier albums.
I can't be alone in this thinking.
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The Miracle
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 17:47 |
They're pretty bad but what did you expect from a symph-prog-metal uber-pretentious superproject? To be honest the my main problem with Ayreon is the generic and inoffensive (despite being glossy and masterfully crafted) music. The whole thing's a little overblown, so you have to be ready for some cheese. I do like THE to a certain extent, but no more than 3 stars...
I'm much more turned off by the D&D-styled power metal sagas... and dronings about The Lord a la Neal Morse.
Edited by The Miracle - February 23 2009 at 17:48
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 18:43 |
... are the reason why non-english bands are so popular.
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TheCaptain
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 18:56 |
Yes, there are some awful lyrics that sometimes make me cringe mostly brought on by TFK. Seriously "With a heart bigger than America" is a pretty awful line. Unless this is making fun of the stereotypical American's girth (highly unlikely) this is pure garbage. Granted nothing could replace America to make this an acceptable line... Anyway, I have a somewhat hard time paying attention to the lyrics of any song because I usually care far more about the music. Try to focus on everything else and eventually the words will lose all meaning.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:10 |
Oh please, Arriving UFO and Circus of Heaven are pure cheese IMO.
Iván
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:24 |
there are some pretty terrible lyrics, but some pretty incredible ones as well. when the lyrics are bad its easy to ignore, when they're great they're hard to ignore.
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mrcozdude
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:37 |
I find prog has produced some very bad lyrics .To pretentious perhaps?
Luckily I don't listen to any prog involving dungeon and dragons.
I find the lyrics really depend of the context of the song,on paper they maybe excellent but if there's some dated instrumentation and vocal melody it can very easily offend my soul.
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crimson87
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 19:47 |
But DT are americans and their SFAM lyrics are awful. I know a typical american would put the blame on the canadian though....
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OzzProg
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:01 |
Lyrics are absolutely meaningless to me. As long as the lyrics sound nice, and fit well with the music. Some lyrics don't mean anything at all if you analyze them carefully, but during the actual event of listening, they just seem to flow and create peace in your mind. I view the vocals as an instrument, and words are nothing more than a musical expression that can be played on this instrument.
A good example of this would be Aisles of Plenty by Genesis; the lyrics are meaningless, but just sound so damn cool in the song.
A example of lyrics that detract from the music would be Circus of Heaven by Yes, even though it would be a terrible song no matter what the lyrics were, they just seem to make it WORSE!
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:04 |
^ based on your avy you must have great taste
never liked the lyrics on Cynic's Focus, so self-involved
Edited by Atavachron - February 23 2009 at 20:05
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:32 |
i don't care about lyrics ,what really matters in prog is the music
besides,if a want poetry i would buy a book instead of listen the mars volta
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jammun
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:43 |
My friends, many prog lyrics -- going back to the early days -- can be pretentious, indecipherable, inane, and probably about 40 other adjectives I could list.
However consider the alternative: popular music.
At least our prog bands are making an attempt to write something beyond the usual drivel. It may not work out so well sometimes, but let's give 'em some credit for at least trying.
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:46 |
see: Emerson Lake and Palmer
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:52 |
martinprog77 wrote:
i don't care about lyrics ,what really matters in prog is the music
besides,if a want poetry i would buy a book instead of listen the mars volta |
Completely agree with this post. The only time I get turned off by lyrics is when they are offencive as in cursing, swearing etc...meaningless lyrics make for fine vocals see Yes...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 20:56 |
Ayreon's 1010100010101010010101010101010100000000001111111111110000000000 album is one of the more recent examples of absolutely atrocious lyrics as pointed out in the OP's post. And before someone comes in and says "But it's about the concept of the album", so what? the lyrics are still terrible regardless.
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:02 |
Not defending Mr Lucassen, but he does write rock operas, which means they have to tell a story- don't know of any rock operas that have deep and meaningful lyrics.
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Negoba
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:12 |
There are 3 kinds of lyrics:
Lyrics that whose meaning is a driving force of the song, as in most folk / singer-songwriter
Lyrics that sound good but have little or no bearing on the song other than their sound. (Actually I would argue most of the music I listen to other than folk)
Lyrics that actually ruin the song.
I have almost bought Aryeon's Human Equation many times, but then I sample it and the lyrics to something like "Love" will come on....my spine twists, and I just can't do it.
I would argue that why Genesis is the king here is that Gabriel's vocals serve both #1 and #2 while the harmonies of Yes, which may be musically more pleasing, the lyric sits firmly in category #2 only.
Now great lyrics, and a musically unlistenable voice....that's a tough nut to crack....modern Dylan, VdGG (ducks and runs)
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rpe9p
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:29 |
I really dislike a lot of Spock's Beard's lyrics and I find that they detract from the music. I am not a huge fan of their music anyway, but my friends who are say they love the lyrics, which I dont understand.
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Logan
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:35 |
rpe9p wrote:
I really dislike a lot of Spock's Beard's lyrics and I find that they detract from the music. I am not a huge fan of their music anyway, but my friends who are say they love the lyrics, which I dont understand.
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As I see it, in Spock's Beard's case, that they detract from the music isn't really a bad thing. ;)
Edited by Logan - February 23 2009 at 21:36
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 21:53 |
I was listening to Beardfish this week. The lyrics are just dreadful, which is too bad because the music is really great. I'm luckily able to ignore the lyrics...
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