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Dervisan

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 15:02

at first not karaka , karaca ... sorry but who reject it i really want to know.. or are the people who reject him or others know Cem Karaca or the others??? or not???? if it s not, i never be suprised...

but "replikas" is here..if the members of replikas's see this, they will really smile for this... yes replikas is a good band i like them too but not more than Cem Karaca, Erkin Koray or the other masters...

if they dont know i am telling him .. and i will tell the others .. they will accept or not.. if i can reach 1 person it s wonderful for me... but i want their honour alrready... so he is not my father... but he is the biggest musician i have ever heard...

wait and continue to listen... if you want absolutely...

Edited by Dervisan - February 02 2009 at 15:11

Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 14:51

Cem Karaka were proposed and rejected in 2006, though they can of course be considered again.

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 12:27

But after them, Cem Karaca wanted to make more politikal and more rock thing.. and he couldnt do this with KARDAŞLAR... Cem Karaca was interested with socializm and marxism these days and he was really thinking like a village socialist...

in these days the biggest band of turkish progressive ; MOĞOLLAR (they were known as LES MOGOL - they have won the ACADEMİC CHARLES CROSS award before PINK FLOYD and after JIMI HENDRIX so thınk theır importance in France) was looking for a vocalist to their band so they wanted to work with Cem Karaca ... it was really wonderfull wedding... they have made three 45rpm but in this period the important song was "Namus Belası" ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1LsnkRPcRE (Namus Belası)

i love this song becuase i can feel the moğollar sound and cem karaca's vokal is really wonderful...and it s a Cem Karaca song he wrote the lyrics and melodies.. maybe cem karaca have started to make wonderful songs after this song...

other Cem Karaca/MOĞOLLAR SONGS ;

http://www.imeem.com/esensn/music/u84Jtt0n/cem_karaca_edali_geln/ (Edalı Gelin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVSxmNYiVQ (Üzüm Kaldı)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY4eyUtBMrQ&feature=related (ihtarname)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZ_fB8ML_4 (Obur Dünya)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwONIty-ws (İhtiyar Oldum) i loooveeeee this soonnnggggg

---------------------

ENGLİSH LYRICS OF "IHTIYAR OLDUM"

why did i become an old man before i have borned from my mother
before i was 7 year old , i have became an old man
i have became an old man i have became an old man

you make me a subject of a gossip
you promised me and abdicate
you make me a subject of a gossip
you promised me and abdicate
my darling you can be happy
i have become an old man

Doctor dont be sad because of me
i never touch your medicines
my black hairs have become white
i have become an old man

-------------------------

i think this song is most important song of Cem Karaca/ Moğollar becasue Moğollar was really masters of anatolian progressive folk and Cem Karaca too ... and they could make a wonderful progressive folk music with this Aşık Mahsuni Şerif's tradational song...

from; http://psychefolk.com/TurkishProgressive.html

and there is a one song more.. it was really like middle east's arabesque; "Gel gel" and a few later cem karaca will be kidding with this song in his song named "ihtarname" with same band

and then Cahit Berkay who is the biggest name of MOĞOLLAR went to France to make an international album so this Cem Karaca-Moğollar band was demolished in early 1974 ...

after that the biggest band of turkish rock history ;DERVİSAN will be established ... my heart beat so hard when i say this name LOL

i love this band .. you can understand it if you see my nick name Big smile

pure progressive sound will wait you Wink

Edited by Dervisan - February 22 2009 at 15:47

Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

Dervisan

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 11:38

and now he has finished his transition period ... he hasnt done beatnic after "Dadaloğlu" and he started to do pure "Progressive Psychedelic Folk Rock" after this transition period (after "dadaloğlu") and Cem Karaca - Kardaşlar have started to make new songs ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6JlnO7lC78 (Tatlı Dillim)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fULlQF2ok (Kara Yılan)

but in this time the most important song was "Acı Doktor" ... it was the tradational song by a troubadour named Aşık Mahsuni Şerif who was the rebel politikal name of Turkey ... (so Cem Karaca have made a lot of songs with him) Cem Karaca - Kardaşlar was played this song really pschedelic paraphrase and it was really experimental song...

http://rapidshare.com/files/155880750/Cem_Karaca_Kardaslar_Aci_Doktor.rar (Acı Doktor)

this song told about a poor man with his sick baby... he go to a doctor and say "i havent got money, give my jacket" for his baby's ameliorate... really impressive subject that i said... and they can use it with really good pschedelic sound...

(THERE ARE SOME SONGS TOO BUT İ COULDNT FİND ANY LİNKS TO SHOW THEM, SO İ WİLL WRİTE ALL DİSCOGRAPHY.. YOU WİLL SEE THESE SONGS IN THERE.. NOW ONLY İ WANT TO TELL THE WAY TO PURE PROGRESSİVE ROCK WITH EXAMPLES)

Edited by Dervisan - February 14 2009 at 11:50

Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 10:34

he has changed his music after establish the Cem Karaca-Kardaşlar.. you can see this change if you listen them after the links that i gave last message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yya8xPVW5mw (Kendim ettim kendim buldum)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0KRn8hA1g (Adsız)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSCjYtQmBj0 (Muhtar)

they were the first song of Cem Karaca - Kardaşlar ... (there is a song named "emmioğlu" but i cant find a link about it) now cem karaca shows his wonderful and powerful voice more than before and his band make more hard rock...

they were the transition period from semphonic beatnic to progressive folk

then he made a new song ; it was the song that the citizens of turkey expect... with this song he was in 1. place for a long time in the lists... it was the ; "DADALOGLU" ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7epYeDf0IY (Dadaloğlu)

it was the story of a hero that a turkish rebel against the Ottomans .. so this song was really loved because in that time there is really terrible repressive managment because of soviet russia and USA cold war.. and this song was telling the feelings of turkishs.. because they didnt want to live with this repressive ... so turkey was a continue of ottomans ...

this song was played with turkish tradational instruments and Cem Karaca's vokals like opera... (it is reallt strange that ;the productor of the band was really angry when he listened this song he didnt want to publish this song but Cem Karaca pressed him so this song is already listened in turkey now Smile

)

now Cem Karaca was known by everyone in Turkey and his songs were singing in all tongues

Edited by Dervisan - February 02 2009 at 20:33

Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

Dervisan

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 08:54

in this band they have used the tradational anatolian folk songs like "Hudey" "Karacoğlan" "Oy babo" with beatnic melodies ... bur he has started to make up his own songs like "resmideki gözyaşları" "bu son olsun" "zeyno"

and he and his band have played a lot of songs with FREDDY KLEIN ORCHESTRA so we can named some songs semphonic beatnic rock...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0WYebOv5g (Ayrılık Günümüz)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHtyfK0KC0c (İstanbulu Dinliyorum)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mmYlnwc7oM (karacoğlan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa9uhGiG860 (zeyno)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jep3rmcjiLc (resimdeki gözyaşları) {tears on the photograph} (there is a english version of it named "tears" i will upload it to youtube soon)

-------------------------

ENGLİSH LYRİCS OF "RESİMDEKİ GÖZYAŞLARI" {tears on the photograph}

maybe you are looking for a alleviation from the days that were past, from the life
look at my photograph, see the tears that were run out..

now you have got only a little photograph from me
it cant answer you but it can cry for your alone

and i have got only a few memory in my palm
you leave me alone and gone

maybe you are looking for a alleviation from the days that were past, from the life
look at my photograph

you are not alone, i know where you are
it might make you sad, if you are living and see this

maybe you are looking for a alleviation from the days that were past, from the life
look at my photograph, see the tears that were run out..

-----------------------------

that you see this band was not using the progressive sound yet... and otherwise they didnt use rock sound too sometimes... however he has won a lot of popularity in turkey but Cem Karaca was looking for more hard band to make real rock...he didnt want to make beatnic music so the Apaşlar band was demolished at the begining 1971...

Then he establish a new band called : CEM KARACA - KARDAŞLAR ( Cem Karaca and the brothers)

it was the begining of progressive folk sounds of Cem Karaca

Edited by Dervisan - February 02 2009 at 20:32

Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

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Posted: February 02 2009 at 07:45

everything was started in 1967 with a song compitition ... "Altın mikrofon şarkı yarışması" (Golden microphone song contest)... he was join this contest with Apaşlar band which is a beat band... and same contest a lot of young beat music guys join this contest who will make progressive pschedelic a few years later... this contest was the first that turkey discover it s honour,ability with their own lyrics own melodies and own language... Cem Karaca said that "we have all sing Elvis songs like a parrot before this contest" they have found theirselves and their ability...not only Cem Karaca; Erkin Koray(who is the biggest name of psyhedelic turkish) Moğollar - Les Mogol- , Barış Manço and the others..

Cem Karaca - Apaşlar win this contest with their song "Emrah" which is a old tradational folk song of anatolia with a beatnic sounds... After this song he have never left the anatolian tradational melodies....and this is the first uprise of him..

Cem Karaca- Apaşlar / Emrah (1967) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGx4e60qGQc

------------------------

ENGLİSH LYRİCS OF "EMRAH"

i have visited a sapling* at the earlier morning *(sapling=young darling)
i asked "are you sad?"
she said "no, no"

"your white hands are all hennaed(*) " i asked "is there a wedding?" (*)the girls make their hand hennaed in the fiestas,weddings in Turkey

she said "no, no"

i asked "what is pearl?"
she said "my teeths"
i asked "what is pencil?" (in turkey beautiful eyebrows called eyebrows like pencil)
she said "my eyebrows"
i asked "white breast?"
she said "on my chest"
i said "give them, i want kiss"
she said "no,no,"
nooooooooooooo

i asked "what is death?"
she said "on my neck"
i asked "come on, die with me"
she said "no,no"

i asked "what is death?"
she said "on my neck"
i asked "come on, die with me"
she said "noooooooooooooo"

------------------------

TO BE CONTİNUED Wink

Edited by Dervisan - February 22 2009 at 14:03

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Dervisan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2009 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 108	Posted: February 02 2009 at 15:02
	at first not karaka , karaca ... sorry but who reject it i really want to know.. or are the people who reject him or others know Cem Karaca or the others??? or not???? if it s not, i never be suprised... but "replikas" is here..if the members of replikas's see this, they will really smile for this... yes replikas is a good band i like them too but not more than Cem Karaca, Erkin Koray or the other masters... if they dont know i am telling him .. and i will tell the others .. they will accept or not.. if i can reach 1 person it s wonderful for me... but i want their honour alrready... so he is not my father... but he is the biggest musician i have ever heard... wait and continue to listen... if you want absolutely... Edited by Dervisan - February 02 2009 at 15:11
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chopper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20030	Posted: February 02 2009 at 14:51
	Cem Karaka were proposed and rejected in 2006, though they can of course be considered again.

Dervisan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2009 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 108	Posted: February 02 2009 at 12:27
	But after them, Cem Karaca wanted to make more politikal and more rock thing.. and he couldnt do this with KARDAŞLAR... Cem Karaca was interested with socializm and marxism these days and he was really thinking like a village socialist... in these days the biggest band of turkish progressive ; MOĞOLLAR (they were known as LES MOGOL - they have won the ACADEMİC CHARLES CROSS award before PINK FLOYD and after JIMI HENDRIX so thınk theır importance in France) was looking for a vocalist to their band so they wanted to work with Cem Karaca ... it was really wonderfull wedding... they have made three 45rpm but in this period the important song was "Namus Belası" .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1LsnkRPcRE (Namus Belası) i love this song becuase i can feel the moğollar sound and cem karaca's vokal is really wonderful...and it s a Cem Karaca song he wrote the lyrics and melodies.. maybe cem karaca have started to make wonderful songs after this song... other Cem Karaca/MOĞOLLAR SONGS ; http://www.imeem.com/esensn/music/u84Jtt0n/cem_karaca_edali_geln/ (Edalı Gelin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVSxmNYiVQ (Üzüm Kaldı) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY4eyUtBMrQ&feature=related (ihtarname) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiZ_fB8ML_4 (Obur Dünya) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwONIty-ws (İhtiyar Oldum) i loooveeeee this soonnnggggg --------------------- ENGLİSH LYRICS OF "IHTIYAR OLDUM" why did i become an old man before i have borned from my mother before i was 7 year old , i have became an old man i have became an old man i have became an old man you make me a subject of a gossip you promised me and abdicate you make me a subject of a gossip you promised me and abdicate my darling you can be happy i have become an old man Doctor dont be sad because of me i never touch your medicines my black hairs have become white i have become an old man ------------------------- i think this song is most important song of Cem Karaca/ Moğollar becasue Moğollar was really masters of anatolian progressive folk and Cem Karaca too ... and they could make a wonderful progressive folk music with this Aşık Mahsuni Şerif's tradational song... from; http://psychefolk.com/TurkishProgressive.html and there is a one song more.. it was really like middle east's arabesque; "Gel gel" and a few later cem karaca will be kidding with this song in his song named "ihtarname" with same band and then Cahit Berkay who is the biggest name of MOĞOLLAR went to France to make an international album so this Cem Karaca-Moğollar band was demolished in early 1974 ... after that the biggest band of turkish rock history ;DERVİSAN will be established ... my heart beat so hard when i say this name i love this band .. you can understand it if you see my nick name pure progressive sound will wait you Edited by Dervisan - February 22 2009 at 15:47
	Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

Dervisan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2009 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 108	Posted: February 02 2009 at 11:38
	and now he has finished his transition period ... he hasnt done beatnic after "Dadaloğlu" and he started to do pure "Progressive Psychedelic Folk Rock" after this transition period (after "dadaloğlu") and Cem Karaca - Kardaşlar have started to make new songs ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6JlnO7lC78 (Tatlı Dillim) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fULlQF2ok (Kara Yılan) but in this time the most important song was "Acı Doktor" ... it was the tradational song by a troubadour named Aşık Mahsuni Şerif who was the rebel politikal name of Turkey ... (so Cem Karaca have made a lot of songs with him) Cem Karaca - Kardaşlar was played this song really pschedelic paraphrase and it was really experimental song... http://rapidshare.com/files/155880750/Cem_Karaca_Kardaslar_Aci_Doktor.rar (Acı Doktor) this song told about a poor man with his sick baby... he go to a doctor and say "i havent got money, give my jacket" for his baby's ameliorate... really impressive subject that i said... and they can use it with really good pschedelic sound... (THERE ARE SOME SONGS TOO BUT İ COULDNT FİND ANY LİNKS TO SHOW THEM, SO İ WİLL WRİTE ALL DİSCOGRAPHY.. YOU WİLL SEE THESE SONGS IN THERE.. NOW ONLY İ WANT TO TELL THE WAY TO PURE PROGRESSİVE ROCK WITH EXAMPLES) Edited by Dervisan - February 14 2009 at 11:50
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Dervisan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2009 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 108	Posted: February 02 2009 at 10:34
	he has changed his music after establish the Cem Karaca-Kardaşlar.. you can see this change if you listen them after the links that i gave last message http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yya8xPVW5mw (Kendim ettim kendim buldum) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU0KRn8hA1g (Adsız) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSCjYtQmBj0 (Muhtar) they were the first song of Cem Karaca - Kardaşlar ... (there is a song named "emmioğlu" but i cant find a link about it) now cem karaca shows his wonderful and powerful voice more than before and his band make more hard rock... they were the transition period from semphonic beatnic to progressive folk then he made a new song ; it was the song that the citizens of turkey expect... with this song he was in 1. place for a long time in the lists... it was the ; "DADALOGLU" .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7epYeDf0IY (Dadaloğlu) it was the story of a hero that a turkish rebel against the Ottomans .. so this song was really loved because in that time there is really terrible repressive managment because of soviet russia and USA cold war.. and this song was telling the feelings of turkishs.. because they didnt want to live with this repressive ... so turkey was a continue of ottomans ... this song was played with turkish tradational instruments and Cem Karaca's vokals like opera... (it is reallt strange that ;the productor of the band was really angry when he listened this song he didnt want to publish this song but Cem Karaca pressed him so this song is already listened in turkey now ) now Cem Karaca was known by everyone in Turkey and his songs were singing in all tongues Edited by Dervisan - February 02 2009 at 20:33
	Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

Dervisan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2009 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 108	Posted: February 02 2009 at 08:54
	in this band they have used the tradational anatolian folk songs like "Hudey" "Karacoğlan" "Oy babo" with beatnic melodies ... bur he has started to make up his own songs like "resmideki gözyaşları" "bu son olsun" "zeyno" and he and his band have played a lot of songs with FREDDY KLEIN ORCHESTRA so we can named some songs semphonic beatnic rock... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0WYebOv5g (Ayrılık Günümüz) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHtyfK0KC0c (İstanbulu Dinliyorum) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mmYlnwc7oM (karacoğlan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa9uhGiG860 (zeyno) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jep3rmcjiLc (resimdeki gözyaşları) {tears on the photograph} (there is a english version of it named "tears" i will upload it to youtube soon) ------------------------- ENGLİSH LYRİCS OF "RESİMDEKİ GÖZYAŞLARI" {tears on the photograph} maybe you are looking for a alleviation from the days that were past, from the life look at my photograph, see the tears that were run out.. now you have got only a little photograph from me it cant answer you but it can cry for your alone and i have got only a few memory in my palm you leave me alone and gone maybe you are looking for a alleviation from the days that were past, from the life look at my photograph you are not alone, i know where you are it might make you sad, if you are living and see this maybe you are looking for a alleviation from the days that were past, from the life look at my photograph, see the tears that were run out.. ----------------------------- that you see this band was not using the progressive sound yet... and otherwise they didnt use rock sound too sometimes... however he has won a lot of popularity in turkey but Cem Karaca was looking for more hard band to make real rock...he didnt want to make beatnic music so the Apaşlar band was demolished at the begining 1971... Then he establish a new band called : CEM KARACA - KARDAŞLAR ( Cem Karaca and the brothers) it was the begining of progressive folk sounds of Cem Karaca Edited by Dervisan - February 02 2009 at 20:32
	Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock

Dervisan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2009 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 108	Posted: February 02 2009 at 07:45
	everything was started in 1967 with a song compitition ... "Altın mikrofon şarkı yarışması" (Golden microphone song contest)... he was join this contest with Apaşlar band which is a beat band... and same contest a lot of young beat music guys join this contest who will make progressive pschedelic a few years later... this contest was the first that turkey discover it s honour,ability with their own lyrics own melodies and own language... Cem Karaca said that "we have all sing Elvis songs like a parrot before this contest" they have found theirselves and their ability...not only Cem Karaca; Erkin Koray(who is the biggest name of psyhedelic turkish) Moğollar - Les Mogol- , Barış Manço and the others.. Cem Karaca - Apaşlar win this contest with their song "Emrah" which is a old tradational folk song of anatolia with a beatnic sounds... After this song he have never left the anatolian tradational melodies....and this is the first uprise of him.. Cem Karaca- Apaşlar / Emrah (1967) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGx4e60qGQc ------------------------ ENGLİSH LYRİCS OF "EMRAH" i have visited a sapling* at the earlier morning (sapling=young darling) i asked "are you sad?" she said "no, no" "your white hands are all hennaed() " i asked "is there a wedding?" (*)the girls make their hand hennaed in the fiestas,weddings in Turkey she said "no, no" i asked "what is pearl?" she said "my teeths" i asked "what is pencil?" (in turkey beautiful eyebrows called eyebrows like pencil) she said "my eyebrows" i asked "white breast?" she said "on my chest" i said "give them, i want kiss" she said "no,no," nooooooooooooo i asked "what is death?" she said "on my neck" i asked "come on, die with me" she said "no,no" i asked "what is death?" she said "on my neck" i asked "come on, die with me" she said "noooooooooooooo" ------------------------ TO BE CONTİNUED Edited by Dervisan - February 22 2009 at 14:03
	Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock