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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Try listening to any of the last three albums as a whole... maybe you'll see it. As for PT my favorite era is the early trippy stuff, which was prog allright. later albums are proggy alt rock but who cares, it's all good music.

BTW, SW is a bit of an asshole(in a Fripp/Blackmore kinda way) so he's not entirely trustworthyWink
I agree that when they a Pink Floyd clone-ish band they were prog, but that's not what they're famous for. And again, I don't care that people enjoy the music, at least it's well made alt rock. I care that always win the best prog album of the year award (nevermind all the collabs who say in their review that Deadwing isn't even really a prog album!) and so many people think he's a motherf**king genius who is ZOMG SO INNOVATIVE.
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Steven Wilson has been photographed at a computer at Robert Fripp's house, working on some music programme (I think he's helping Fripp out)...

So is that not classed as prog?
He's remastering the KC albums for 5.1 for some reason, which has nothing to do with his music.
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Ehh, back for today, did 2 and a half hours of walking, but since I haven't done over an 3 hours of walking since the 15th of January, my legs are kinda buggered already.
Figured I better come back and rest, since tomorrow is a 6+ hour slog.
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And don't you love PoS James, at least Entropia?(let's pretend Scarsick never happenedEmbarrassed)


I've not listened to PoS since Scarsick...

But Entropia is likely still my favourite.

I still remember the awful last track on Remedy Lane too... Dead

I never mentioned PoS anyhow, Alex did.  They weren't in that list. Wink


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I do like Beyond the Pale thoughTongue

Anyway, i'm off to for a bath.Sleepy
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Deadwing is terrible.

It really is.

I liked it the first few times.  I left it unplayed for a year and returned to it and it sounded terrible!  Now I realise it was terrible all along.

And well... no, it doesn't have a link to his own music but he's still remastering the one band that is considered prog's, discography.

So he's still associated with prog whether he wants to deny it or not.
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

And don't you love PoS James, at least Entropia?(let's pretend Scarsick never happenedEmbarrassed)


I've not listened to PoS since Scarsick...

But Entropia is likely still my favourite.

I still remember the awful last track on Remedy Lane too... Dead

I never mentioned PoS anyhow, Alex did.  They weren't in that list. Wink


It was a trauma difficult to get overCry

I do like Beyond the Pale thoughTongue

Anyway, i'm off to for a bath.Sleepy





Beyond the Pale is their best track. Big smile
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Wow, Wikipedia has the worst Did You Know? ever... it's so obvious, I don't know why they bothered!

... that people have had to be taken to hospital due to drug overdoses at dance parties?

LOL

Yeah and people have also died at dance parties due to drug overdoses too.

Tell me something new, please!


Reposted just because I want to giggle some more.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

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Nah, I've played a lot worse bands than Rush. Wink


Like Pain of Salvation? Tongue


I wasn't thinking of them.

Tool.
Emerson, Lake and Palmer.
Pure Reason Revolution.
I was listening to PoS and Tool on Youtube and I was surprised at how awful it was. To be honest I don't even see why Tool is considered prog and not really stretched out alt-rock with pseudo-deep lyrics.
 
Then again, I don't think In Abstentia is prog either so what do I know...


I like Tool, well not their early albums, but their last two albums quite a lot and honestly, I don't pay attention to the lyrics. There is a lot of complex sh*t going on in their music, even if it isn't blatantly obvious at times, but it's definitely 'prog enough' to be here, which is enough I s'pose.
PoS is apparently one of the more popular prog metal bands and apparently they were a really influential and important band to the genre.
Hell, I'm on the Prog Metal Team, and even I think they are crap and boring and don't see why the band is considered good, let alone being one of 'flag bearers' of prog metal.

PoS= Piece of sh*t.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Deadwing is terrible.

It really is.

I liked it the first few times.  I left it unplayed for a year and returned to it and it sounded terrible!  Now I realise it was terrible all along.

And well... no, it doesn't have a link to his own music but he's still remastering the one band that is considered prog's, discography.

So he's still associated with prog whether he wants to deny it or not.
Oh, I see what you're saying. But being prog-related is irrelevant. ;-)
 
Granted, Miracle, I have not heard a full Tool album. But listening to Lateralus on Youtube doesn't make me want to slog through the whole thing, much less pay for it.
 
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I was surprised Deadwing won too, it's their most straightforward and poppy album, but it's still catchy and very enjoyable imo.Tongue



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Beyond the Pale is their best track. Big smile


Originally posted by James James wrote:


I still remember the awful last track on Remedy Lane too... Dead


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Yeah, I've seen their videos, they are nice and nonsensically weird, but I don't see much that is redeeming about it in a prog sense. Or at all in my personal opinion but that doesn't mean nobody else can like them. I don't even care if people like Porcupine Tree, it is just completely f**king beyond me that Porcupine Tree are apparently the standard bearers of prog. Steve Wilson doesn't even think they're prog anymore! And I saw that Akerfelt vs Wilson trvia challenge, the man knows his prog!


Yeah, I like PT, but I sympathize with you on the 'they aren't really prog' bit.
Their last album featured about one proper prog rock song, stuff that you can tag as 'prog related' and the rest was not in the realm of progressive rock at all.
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I was surprised Deadwing won too, it's their most straightforward and poppy album, but it's still catchy and very enjoyable imo.Tongue



Originally posted by James James wrote:



Beyond the Pale is their best track. Big smile


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I still remember the awful last track on Remedy Lane too... Dead


huh?Confused


I meant Second Love. Embarrassed


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Um... they never had a love ballad actually

You don't mean Iter Impius do you?


Cause if you do you're a n00bWink
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I meant Second Love. Embarrassed


Ahh, I see what you mean now. Yeah, one of their weaker ones.
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PoS has yet to release an album worth more than 2 stars in my book.

I'm partly biased being a guitarist too, because part of why I don't like Pain of Salvation that much is because they use multi thousand dollar guitar rigs and make it sound crap, and I've heard guys using 300 dollar equipment recording direct into a PC that had tone that was significantly.
If you own gear that expensive and still manage to make it sound lifeless and dull and washed out, you probably should learn to play the flute instead.
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

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I meant Second Love. Embarrassed


Ahh, I see what you mean now. Yeah, one of their weaker ones.


It completely ruins the album.

Of course, Beyond the Pale is the last track and is probably my favourite by them but Second Love is so so so so bad. Dead
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

lifeless and dull and washed out


Never thought I'd see anyone describe PoS in those terms, because IMO that's everything they're notLOL

Watch that Iter Impius video and tell me that didn't move you at all(ignore the actual video)Wink


Edited by The Miracle - January 25 2009 at 19:46
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Try listening to any of the last three albums as a whole... maybe you'll see it. As for PT my favorite era is the early trippy stuff, which was prog allright. later albums are proggy alt rock but who cares, it's all good music.

BTW, SW is a bit of an asshole(in a Fripp/Blackmore kinda way) so he's not entirely trustworthyWink
I agree that when they a Pink Floyd clone-ish band they were prog, but that's not what they're famous for. And again, I don't care that people enjoy the music, at least it's well made alt rock. I care that always win the best prog album of the year award (nevermind all the collabs who say in their review that Deadwing isn't even really a prog album!) and so many people think he's a motherf**king genius who is ZOMG SO INNOVATIVE.
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Steven Wilson has been photographed at a computer at Robert Fripp's house, working on some music programme (I think he's helping Fripp out)...

So is that not classed as prog?
He's remastering the KC albums for 5.1 for some reason, which has nothing to do with his music.


Yeah, PT is pretty much alt rock now, and a good alt rock band at that IMO.
But christ, they shouldn't even be in the top 100 of best prog albums of the year.
And sorry to disappoint fanboys who may potentially enter the thread at this time, but Steven Wilson is NOT "ZOMG SO INNOVATIVE".
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The album Scarsick was released on January 22, 2007, having leaked early December 2006. It is more band oriented than "BE", with Daniel Gildenlöw playing bass in the studio. Recent interviews with Daniel have revealed that Scarsick is, in fact, the second part of The Perfect Element, confirming the speculation of many fans.


That's bullsh*t.

It's more like a Gildenlow solo performance with people helping him out... Kristoffer Gildenlow had left and well... the band has been sh*t since then.
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Yeah, I've seen their videos, they are nice and nonsensically weird, but I don't see much that is redeeming about it in a prog sense. Or at all in my personal opinion but that doesn't mean nobody else can like them. I don't even care if people like Porcupine Tree, it is just completely f**king beyond me that Porcupine Tree are apparently the standard bearers of prog. Steve Wilson doesn't even think they're prog anymore! And I saw that Akerfelt vs Wilson trvia challenge, the man knows his prog!


Yeah, I like PT, but I sympathize with you on the 'they aren't really prog' bit.
Their last album featured about one proper prog rock song, stuff that you can tag as 'prog related' and the rest was not in the realm of progressive rock at all.
Exactly! If this were not a prog site I would understand why everbody has leapt on them, but it is.
 
I will grant you as well that I may be missing the complex stuff that is happening under the boring surface of Tool's alt metal. I admit I have a prejudice against the style they use and I have to struggle to stop myself from turning it off when they drop into those whispered vocals and softer, slower distorted guitars sections that are in every damn alt-rock/alt-metal/post-grunge song. If you have no idea what I am talking about, skip to 1:30. Although of course Tool are better than Breaking Benjamin.
 
And it's ok to like to like alt-rock! One of my favorite bands is The Paper Chase!


Edited by Henry Plainview - January 25 2009 at 19:47
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