The Shred Room II (with extra youth)

King By-Tor wrote: Oh Rob... your innocence is cute. Prog heads will never stop breaking things down into categories. One day we'll have 50 subs of Art Rock alone

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The United States Of Art Rock?

TGM: Orb wrote: NaturalScience wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: I generally am favorable for a RIO/Avant split, but that would be alot of work. Would you split the team up too? Eh, first I've heard of this. My thoughts: frankly, RIO/Avant is a pretty small and not exactly wildly well-known category. Just thinking in particular of RIO, is it really worth doing that for so few bands? Do we need another subcategory, just because we can, and even more bickering about which category a borderline band should fall into? I thought this way initially, but:  what is the real argument against another subgenre? Lots of work. Not much of an argument when 1.) you're not among those that will be doing the work and 2.) the ones that will do it will do so gladly because it's important to them. Little return. Not so, I think it will highlight (a bit more) a movement that, while obviously not of the influence of mainstream progressive bands, is important enough to highlight on the ultimate Prog Rock resource. More arguing. Meh, if we don't argue about this we'll argue about something else.  Also, tbh, I think RIO/Avant is more eyecatching as a united front than a divided one. I mean, RIO... three letters! I'd just about ignore it if it wasn't followed by a slash. I'd be inclined to spell out the acronym were the movement to be in a separate subgenre.

TGM: Orb wrote: King By-Tor wrote: AWESOME!!! Let's do it I'm in. The revolution begins here.

Richard Branson Prog: a subgenre of prog for bands who made debut albums which eventually got the record label heads into everything in the world, including cell phones and air planes. Virgin my ass!

Key Artists:
Mike Oldfield

The Next Rush Prog: This does not include Rush themselves. Key features of the subgenre includes being mistakenly labeled as "the next Rush" in at least 3 reviews in Rolling Stone and on ProgArchives multiple times.

Key Artists:
Tiles
Pavlov's Dog
Coheed & Cambria
Mars Volta

NaturalScience wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot about the U Totem/5uus circuit.   What would Henry Cow and SMM influenced be? I could see something like Hoyry Kone and if we're stretching it Alamaailman Vasarat for SMM, but other than the side projects of members, I always saw Henry Cow as more or less standing alone, but I'm sure I'm wrong. Another modern band (that I recently added) that has good RIO influence is Calomito - they're Italian and have influences of HC and Stormy Six in some of their music (and a whole lot more).  Check out their page here - ignore the part about Frank Zappa in the bio.    Their myspace is listed there if you want to have a listen.   I'll let you experts try to figure out The Residents, SGM, and Estradasphere. ;-) All avant-prog I would think - though I haven't yet heard Estradasphere. Avant is a good home for the SGMs and the Mr. Bungles of the world.

To me Zeuhl is even more fringe:

1.)  Magma and some offshoots
2.)  Their disciples in France doing one-offs in the late 70s/early 80s
3.)  A few modern bands in Japan doing their own take

To me what Henry Cow and the other bands in the Rock-in-Opposition movement started is as important as what Magma started.

Oh damn, people are actually discussing important things. I'm outta here 

Later Mike - sorry to scare you away!

No, Camel should be moved to Yawn prog.  

Mikerinos wrote: I started reading We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, James (and for whoever else is interested).  I'm really enjoying it so far, reading a few "records" each say, taking it in slowly.  I'm not sure how I'll rank it between 1984 and Brave New World (of those two, I prefer 1984), but I'm really enjoying the setting, characters, and the "mathematical, bipolar, and romantic" style of prose.

I've yet to read Nineteen Eighty-Four but have read Brave New World.

I didn't especially like the American translation of We but I still enjoyed it greatly.  Let me know your final impression.