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VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 18:56

Can't he take care of himself? Wink

Take care, June.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 18:57

That was cheap, James.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 18:58

James wrote:

King By-Tor wrote:

James wrote:

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James wrote:

Yes they are... in a good way though.

and usually kinky Big smile

Not the ones I know. Cry

Oh, Laura sort of was but not really. The others were weird and quite boring. LOL

Weird is fine, but kinky and weird is excellent. Big smile

It's a good thing my girlfriend isn't home yet, because she'd kill me for posting this LOL

. Its her own fault for not joining PA Wink

Remember I know what she looks like. Wink

So I'd be careful.

Why? Are you a photoshop master?

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 18:58

See ya June.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 19:03

Just noticed this one. Fits your screenname perfectly.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 19:04

Funny, I see only the baboon portion.
So, naturally, I only think of a baboon's ass.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 19:15

David had better credit me for finding that avvy

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 19:54

I'm watching a film called Keane with Damian Lewis in (but he's English... why's he playing an American?). Quite good actually. It's an Independent film.

I was wondering if Mike had seen it?

Plus I'm drinking beer. Yey!

Edited by James - January 14 2009 at 19:54

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:17

zappa for prog rock

VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:28

Oh do shut up. LOL

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:33

James wrote:

Can't he take care of himself? Wink

Well, he's a male, ain't he?

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:35

I don't get the Eclectic teams decision for a no vote.
I'm pretty sure Avant Garde music existed before Zappa had even started going to elementary school, so what's this "FATHER OF AVANT" business then?

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:44

NaturalScience has arrived! Let the celebration commence!!

Hi. Embarrassed

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:44

Exactly my feelings, Harry.

Although the guys in Samla Mammas Manna were influenced by Zappa, I am pretty sure they were also influenced by the likes of Stravinsky, Beethoven, Shostakovich and many others.

Henry Cow were certainly influenced by chamber music.

Also in 1966 a band named AMM released a very minimalist album called AMMMusic. It's certainly avant-garde.

So before Zappa there was avant-garde music.

Charles Ives is another.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:45

And besides, his music fits Eclectic like a glove.

It does.

Nobody can argue that. Seriously.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:46

Here's a dumb question - the most avant stuff FZ did was with Mothers, right? Wasn't that all in the late 60s though? I thought that was considered "proto" around here. That's why I don't like calling Zappa a founder of avant - he was like "proto-RIO" - a major influence on the true founders like SMM.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:48

Wikipedia says (and yes I realise Wikipedia as a source is frowned upon):

In his teens, he acquired a taste for percussion-based avant-garde composers like Edgard Varèse, and 1950s rhythm and blues music. He began writing classical music in high school, while at the same time playing drums in rhythm and blues bands—he later switched to electric guitar. He was an autodidact composer and performer, and his diverse musical influences led him to create music that was often impossible to categorize. His 1966 debut album with the Mothers of Invention, Freak Out!, combined songs in conventional rock and roll format with collective improvisations and studio-generated sound collages. His later albums shared this eclectic and experimental approach, irrespective of whether the fundamental format was one of rock, jazz or classical.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:50

As far as I see it, Zappa wasn't even the 'father of avant' anyway so I don't see where the Eclectic guys are getting there information from Confused

, but just served to make it more acceptable among a bigger audience perhaps.
I own only 8 Zappa albums, and I know at least 3 of them have nothing to do with Avant what so ever, and the rest I just think sound more like they work out as Eclectic rather than Avant, because well, they just don't sound THAT avant to me.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:52

Zappa grew up influenced by avant-garde composers such as Varèse, Igor Stravinsky and Anton Webern

Well what do you know... those same composers also influenced Univers Zéro and Cartoon/PFS. They're the ones I know for sure.

So they're the fore-fathers, not Zappa.

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Posted: January 14 2009 at 20:54

Well, that proves my point entirely, that Zappa never was and isn't, the Father of Avant.
As far as I see it, the Eclectic teams argument in favor of him staying in Avant because of his so called status of "father of avant" is about as strong as a ant trying to knock down a body builder.

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