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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 18:39
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Like Slartibartfast says, a lot of bad 'prog' albums are bad because they aren't really progressive, but instead resulted from legitimate artists losing their way over trends or money:  Love Beach, Big Generator, Jethro Tull's Under Wraps and Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen being some of the more glaring examples.

As far as technically 'legitimate' prog - it's a little obscure, but the FInnish band Apollo's self-titled album is one of the worst pieces of toe jam I've ever heard.  And for some reason Warner actually felt the need to reissue it a few years back so an entire new generation could be turned off on prog music.   Read the reviews - there's  no point rehashing their insights here.

Under Wraps was Barre's favourite Tull album Wink. I'm sitting this thread out because..... well because.
 
Yeah, and Steve Walsh insists "In the Spirit of Things" is his favorite Kansas album too, but I'm no more sure that's because of its progressive nature than is Barre's reason for loving "Under Wraps".
 
And you're right - we should really know better than to get drawn into a discussion like this Embarrassed.
 
 
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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 18:07

I don't know if I would say there are any horrifically bad progressive albums.  There are certainly albums and bands that are not to my taste, but that doesn't mean they're horrifically bad.  I've heard some prog that I thought wasn't the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life (usually because I either thought they were trying too hard or weren't trying hard enough), and might classify as bad, but not horrifically bad.  Oh, wait, there was In the Hot Seat by ELP, but then that really wasn't prog. 

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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:55
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Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

anything by Kansas  ............................................ runs away laffing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, hides behind the sofa.......... chuckling like a loon   
 
I say the same thing about Gentle Giant


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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 16:59
Only one album come to my mind. I've heard loads of albums I though were fairly boring, but few that I really thought of as bad. Anyway, the band in question was called Tyburn Tall, and so was their album. German, I think, but I'm not sure. Some obscure 70's group anyway. Words cannot describe this album, the only way to understand how bad it is is to hear it (to my surprise I encountered a CD-reissue a while ago!)
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Points: 66588 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 12:20
Hmm.  I actually have that Sinister Street album.  I think that I won it for less than a $1 in an eBay auction.  I'll have to pull it out and give it some listens to see what kind of review I might come up with.  I don't recall it being a 1 star album, but it also isn't all that memorable, so probably at best in would be a 3 star.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2008 at 12:01
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

(Ladies &..Ermm) Gentlemen, let me present:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3718
 
Stoney, it only has a 1.62 rating because you gave it a 1 star rating as a Prog Reviewer...LOL
 
3 other forum members rated the album, one saying its a masterpiece, and the other two labelling it 'Good but non-essential'.  Although I've never heard the album, don't you think you were being a trifle harsh??Wink


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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:30
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

U Totem still was more revelatory for me than 5UU's and Motor Totemist Guild.


U Totem's selftitled is fantastic and so is MTG's City of Mirrors, but the other albums I've heard by these two bands have been mildly disappointing.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:17
I agree with Steve. Though it's not easy to point out really 'horrifically bad' prog albums (as I said in an earlier post, I tend to agree with Jimbo's point of view that boring is much worse than actually bad), I am afraid some posters here confuse 'bad' with something they dislike. For instance, I have never been able to get into Dream Theater, but I'd never bring any of their albums as examples of bad prog.
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Points: 4252 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 03:28
a bit surprised to see "Mars Volta" and "Porcupine Tree" cited as bad Prog - i would say bad prog would be a band that musically and stylistically took everything from existing works but added nothing of their own (there are hundreds of bands on PA which have done this and seem to have got away with it) - the aforementioned bands are certainly not guilty of this, as their unique style and creativity have even developed into a unique style of their own, even breeding a new generation of copyists! Smile  
 
 


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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Like Slartibartfast says, a lot of bad 'prog' albums are bad because they aren't really progressive, but instead resulted from legitimate artists losing their way over trends or money:  Love Beach, Big Generator, Jethro Tull's Under Wraps and Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen being some of the more glaring examples.

As far as technically 'legitimate' prog - it's a little obscure, but the FInnish band Apollo's self-titled album is one of the worst pieces of toe jam I've ever heard.  And for some reason Warner actually felt the need to reissue it a few years back so an entire new generation could be turned off on prog music.   Read the reviews - there's  no point rehashing their insights here.

Under Wraps was Barre's favourite Tull album Wink. I'm sitting this thread out because..... well because.

Edited by Vibrationbaby - October 29 2008 at 02:50
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Points: 2818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 16:56
I don't remember hearing any horrifically bad prog albums (lucky me, I guess), but I've had the disprivilege of hearing plenty of unmemorable, tame, insipid albums that fail to trigger any kind of emotional response from me. As far as I'm concerned, that's a crime far more serious than just being 'bad'. Wink
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Points: 37228 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 16:54
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


I've enjoyed everything I've heard by Thinking Plague and always thought that, of all the american Draky/Kermanish bands, they were one of the ones who least suffered from painful elaboration...


I got a little carried away. Its far from one of the worst albums of prog I know. Very far. I'm just not very fond of In this Life, and find most of the tracks totally unmemorable for the same reasons as Plainview. But Moonsongs, is which I mentioned is here. Still great but when I got this, I already had it on two other albums (but it seems my preferred version actually appeared here first. Oops).  

I prefer 5'uu's, especially Regarding Purgatories to most of Thinking Plague.
Well maybe I'm exaggerating, I haven't heard it in quite a while. But lappy isn't annoyed by any level of repetition so we are coming from different perspectives. But yes, 5uu's is much better, which is funny since 5uu's don't have a very high reputation in the RIO Room. Or at least the RIO Room's surviving members.


Regarding Purgatories is excellent, though I'm rather more of a James Grigsby fan than Dave Kerman.  I really like Motor Totemist Guild, but U Totem still was more revelatory for me than 5UU's and Motor Totemist Guild.  I like Thinking Plague the most for A History of Madness.  I think it's excellent, and I much prefer it to In Extremis (that was a disappointment for me).
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 12:36
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by faceofdoomness faceofdoomness wrote:


But be warned I am a pretty easy going guy with music. I love Mr. Bungle and actually have fallen asleep to their Disco Volante and had a really good night's sleep. It may be tough to actually suggest me a horrible prog album/ band. But I'll see how this will go.


Disco Volante is a great album ... I don't see the point. If by "horrifically bad" you simply mean "very experimental/unusual" then maybe you should rename the thread.Wink
 
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 12:14
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


I've enjoyed everything I've heard by Thinking Plague and always thought that, of all the american Draky/Kermanish bands, they were one of the ones who least suffered from painful elaboration...


I got a little carried away. Its far from one of the worst albums of prog I know. Very far. I'm just not very fond of In this Life, and find most of the tracks totally unmemorable for the same reasons as Plainview. But Moonsongs, is which I mentioned is here. Still great but when I got this, I already had it on two other albums (but it seems my preferred version actually appeared here first. Oops).  

I prefer 5'uu's, especially Regarding Purgatories to most of Thinking Plague.
Well maybe I'm exaggerating, I haven't heard it in quite a while. But lappy isn't annoyed by any level of repetition so we are coming from different perspectives. But yes, 5uu's is much better, which is funny since 5uu's don't have a very high reputation in the RIO Room. Or at least the RIO Room's surviving members.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 11:41
Originally posted by Bunburyist Bunburyist wrote:

Bollies (o' Romanieur):
Langwych ah speaks in be: "shure-an'-tis-loikelay-tere-gits-uz-bannid-wiffin'-th'-hour-by-bollards-wot-runs-dis-forum".
 
So's yew ainnlay gorts aybit hour ter plumb th' marrssiff pwog-knowledge depffs o' yers troolay.
 
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:59
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Points: 3126 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:55
Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

Maybe I'm the only one who gets only few words from thisAngry ,  anyone feel the same??/ And is bad to the eye to read in such manner.Wacko
 
No b_olariu, you're not the only one, I too am confused.  What a load of gobbledegook nonsense. The best bet might to be ignore it and he might go away Confused.
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Maybe I'm the only one who gets only few words from thisAngry ,  anyone feel the same??/ And is bad to the eye to read in such manner.Wacko
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Points: 5536 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:29
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Points: 5536 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:16
Originally posted by Bunburyist Bunburyist wrote:

Warse pwog wobblay be QUASAR -LORELI. 
Tis beyund debate, Jimmehs.
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