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Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:31

Tinyfish wrote:

...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.

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Ohharr - love it! A Wurzels fan!!!

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Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:32

...although not sure what it has to do with Pink Floyd and Prog....!!!

How about bluegrass Prog?

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Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:38

weeellllll - I have this friend - and I said to him once (I think I've said all this before) that Pink Floyd were Prog. He was flabbergasted - Pink Floyd aren't Prog!!!

I said what do you mean? I guess Prog is like Genesis and Yes and stuff like that, eh?

He answered yes to that.

Well. maybe there are many outside of our website that think the same - Prog is all that symphonic complicated music (like Yes, Genesis)

I suppose, yes, Pink Floyd (and all Space rock/psychelia) doesn't fall into that category at all.

In many ways, Space rock is almost out of the classical what most think Prog. It stands on its own. Personally, in my mind, it's the best side of Prog (if yon now want to call it that) - it just flows so much better.........

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Posted: October 23 2008 at 01:03

So Dance of the Volcano is bad because it misuses the 7th beat of the phrase? And we should listen to Ligetti and Bartok because they give better examples of electronic experimentation and rhythmic complexity? Does this guy eat ass salad for breakfast?

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Posted: October 23 2008 at 04:43

PinkPangolin wrote:

Tinyfish wrote:

...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.

Breathe...breathe in the.....CIDER!!!

Ohharr - love it! A Wurzels fan!!!

Jeepers! Where's the other three and Snow-White?

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Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:16

Walker wrote:

Avantgardehead wrote:

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As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?

I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact.

Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.

But was it really used for Pink Floyd? Their music is really very different from Yes or Genesis, and "wide" usage includes both music experts and laymen ...

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Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:42

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Walker wrote:

Avantgardehead wrote:

I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact.

Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.

But was it really used for Pink Floyd? Their music is really very different from Yes or Genesis, and "wide" usage includes both music experts and laymen ...

Yes Mike, it was.

What?

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Posted: October 23 2008 at 06:13

There's even a comment from ex-forum regular Teaflax, who manages to write several paragraphs without slammimg The Flower Kings

Teaflax

Oct 09 08, 5:12am

Did someone say lazy? Yeah, I thought so.

Judging Prog using Rock criteria is like judging Jazz using Reggae criteria; it's beyond useless. In fact, it's plain moronic. This is the conformist prejudiced twaddle from a very small mind.

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Posted: October 23 2008 at 12:44

What does this ignorant writer know about art?

"Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST."
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:36

I noted Teaflax's comments. I couldn't stand his presence on the forum, but he made some excellent points in his comments there which highlighted the endless amount of hypocrisies surrounding critical attitudes towards prog.

I'm glad the writer got a sound thrashing in the comments, it was a staggeringly lazy article- typical of the bullsh*t that gets passed off as music criticism/journalism in this country.

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Posted: October 24 2008 at 20:14

Why don't some o' ye be asking some randomer friends of yours - that don't really know Prog like - whether or not Pink Floyd be Prog.

Oi know what they'll all say - what the blooomin' hec be Prog like?

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Posted: October 27 2008 at 21:13

Of course Pink Floyd are not prog, they are better!!!!

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Posted: October 27 2008 at 21:22

I wonder how much attention and web hits we generate for these "negative" op-eds ???
Oh, and by the way, which one(s)s prog ?
Now, my chance to go and read this man's twaddle ... LOL

I wonder if anyone noted this phrase "the lazy and much-maligned term "progressive rock" " ?

Edited by debrewguy - October 27 2008 at 21:25

"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.

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Posted: October 27 2008 at 22:00

If you all remember the old George Carlin screed about 'special dispensation' (sorry, I am not nor was ever a Catholic, except at birth), I'm thinking that has somehow been applied to PF wrt prog.

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Posted: October 28 2008 at 11:19

Tony R wrote:

There's even a comment from ex-forum regular Teaflax, who manages to write several paragraphs without slammimg The Flower Kings

Teaflax

Oct 09 08, 5:12am

Did someone say lazy? Yeah, I thought so.

Judging Prog using Rock criteria is like judging Jazz using Reggae criteria; it's beyond useless. In fact, it's plain moronic. This is the conformist prejudiced twaddle from a very small mind.

I miss him. :( His posts were much more fun to read. ;)

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Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:35

I actually agree - Pink Floyd never was prog. Psychedelic, but not prog.

Having said that, I think Pink Floyd's influence in prog is noteworthy, but no more noteworthy than any of the other influences (classical, jazz, opera).

Don't take this the wrong way - I do like Pink Floyd, but they continue to get way too much credit in the prog community.

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Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:58

PinkPangolin wrote:

weeellllll - I have this friend - and I said to him once (I think I've said all this before) that Pink Floyd were Prog. He was flabbergasted - Pink Floyd aren't Prog!!!

I said what do you mean? I guess Prog is like Genesis and Yes and stuff like that, eh?

He answered yes to that.

Well. maybe there are many outside of our website that think the same - Prog is all that symphonic complicated music (like Yes, Genesis)

I suppose, yes, Pink Floyd (and all Space rock/psychelia) doesn't fall into that category at all.

In many ways, Space rock is almost out of the classical what most think Prog. It stands on its own. Personally, in my mind, it's the best side of Prog (if yon now want to call it that) - it just flows so much better.........

SO I guess this dude never heard of Atom Hearth Mother.

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Posted: October 31 2008 at 11:22

Lionheart wrote:

I actually agree - Pink Floyd never was prog. Psychedelic, but not prog.

Explain.

Having said that, I think Pink Floyd's influence in prog is noteworthy, but no more noteworthy than any of the other influences (classical, jazz, opera).

Don't take this the wrong way - I do like Pink Floyd, but they continue to get way too much credit in the prog community.

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Posted: October 31 2008 at 12:38

As Psychedelic paved the road for Progressive rock, one can say that Pink Floyd can not be "prog" because they began their career before the first progressive rock records were released. But it's like saying that Jimi Hendrix has nothing to do with hard-rock or heavy-metal because he died just when these two genres were born.
In fact, it's just another story of "boundaries of a genre": Pink Floyd not prog, Led Zeppelin not hard/heavy, Bauhaus or the Cure not goth... But I would also say: Pink Floyd is not psychedelic. "Spacey" sometimes, but not psychedelic anymore since 1968.

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Posted: November 01 2008 at 22:01

I think that none of us cares about PF being prog or not. I guess that what we really dislike is that they are , alongside Queen and The Beatles , THE MOST OVERRATED BAND ON EARTH.

Before I start getting a lot of flak , let me explain this.I like PF , a lot. What I do not like it's general public opinions about the band they give the band godly , untochable status.And actually some times hipsters use the name of Pink Floyd to seem intellectual and phrases like: "The Wall is the most complex movie ever , you have to be smart enough to follow the plot""DSOTM is the pinnacle in rock music , the perfect piece of art of the century"

Sometimes I ask some guys that have this attitudes and some say that they respect PF but its too complex for them.It's hilarious!! You can't respect or "fear" a baNd. You just like it or not.

The godly status is what I hate the most , not PF. And , let's be honest when some one who is new to the band feels amazed with the records , don't you have the feeling like : " Yes..... OK I 've been there before" let me show you some truly mindblowing stuff" (Bringing your copy of Pawn Hearts)

That's quite a snobby attitude but everyone has it , not only proggers.