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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angelo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 11:23
Longer is not always better and it may get harder to read. But at the same time we're not all trained writers, and it may take some exercise to get some _real_information_ into 75 words. So, in order to write an informational review, it may still be wise to take 150 words as a guideline for the minimum. Force yourself to write something with actual content...

(regarding the end of the last sentence: is there a way to 'strike through' ellipses? Big smile)


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hmmm...... haven't tried that before...


hahahha... cool!!!!!!!!




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ricochet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:12
That's not striking through ellipses, it strikes through the air above them. Wink

(btw, getting back on topic soon? Big smile)
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I was on topic, but Micky ignored it (guess that old distraction trick works LOL)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 16:13
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ I think it's enough to tell Bogdan to re-write his review and to swear on the Bible (or any other Holy Book, according to his choice) never use copy-paste function for such purposes.


Though, if new rule, no less than 150 words in review, will be applied, the problem will be sold automatically - both reviews will be invisible.   
 
Sorry to revive this subject but this is not the first time this has happened with said reviewer. I flagged a similar one recently regarding Brand X. Even if the guy is King of Britain ( whatever his PA title is), plagiarism in review form is most undesirable IMHO.
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Heh, with a 150 word limit about half of my reviews will disappear. Are they really that bad and uninformative...?
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I just clicked on a few of his reviews at random:

Note the similarities in these Porcupine In Absentia reviews openings (the first is a the start of a long review by Akin):

2 stars This album is highly regarded among PT fans, if not their most well regarded, but it was a deception for me, because there are some great songs, but their tendency to become more and more alternative pop/rock spoils the band....
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=87446

b-...'s is much shorter, and this is the start of it, and dated June 14, 2007

"2 stars This album is highly regarded among PT fans, if not their most well regarded, but it was a deception for me, because there are some great songs, but their tendency to become more and more alternative pop/rock....
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125714
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Longer is not always better and it may get harder to read. But at the same time we're not all trained writers, and it may take some exercise to get some _real_information_ into 75 words. So, in order to write an informational review, it may still be wise to take 150 words as a guideline for the minimum. Force yourself to write something with actual content...

(regarding the end of the last sentence: is there a way to 'strike through' ellipses? Big smile)
 
That's true Angelo, it's wise to make 150 words reviews, specially for a couple of reasons:

A decent review at least needs:

1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

Do you believe this can be done in 100 words?

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I just clicked on a few of his reviews at random:

Note the similarities in these Porcupine In Absentia reviews openings (the first is a the start of a long review by Akin):

2 stars This album is highly regarded among PT fans, if not their most well regarded, but it was a deception for me, because there are some great songs, but their tendency to become more and more alternative pop/rock spoils the band....
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=87446

b-...'s is much shorter, and this is the start of it, and dated June 14, 2007

"2 stars This album is highly regarded among PT fans, if not their most well regarded, but it was a deception for me, because there are some great songs, but their tendency to become more and more alternative pop/rock....
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125714
 
Thanks for highlighting another one Greg. Too coincidental again methinksConfused
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

A decent review at least needs:

1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

Do you believe this can be done in 100 words?


Sometimes easily.
Example of a short review: "The band X... is Gabriel-era Genesis clone".

8 words, first 6 of them are optional. Enough information, depending on your attitude to Genesis, to be interested or to avoid like a plague. LOL



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nearly 3 pages talking about my mistake. I'm totally agree i'm the one to blame not Igor, sorry my mistakeShocked. I was kinda surprised myself how clones the reviews are, now after 1 year and a half ,  again sorry.
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Clap good man...  I'd suggest you rewrite them a bit 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Longer is not always better and it may get harder to read. But at the same time we're not all trained writers, and it may take some exercise to get some _real_information_ into 75 words. So, in order to write an informational review, it may still be wise to take 150 words as a guideline for the minimum. Force yourself to write something with actual content...

(regarding the end of the last sentence: is there a way to 'strike through' ellipses? Big smile)
 
That's true Angelo, it's wise to make 150 words reviews, specially for a couple of reasons:

A decent review at least needs:

1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

Do you believe this can be done in 100 words?

Ivān



It can be done, as I said, by a trained and experienced writer...

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Heh, with a 150 word limit about half of my reviews will disappear. Are they really that bad and uninformative...?


...like Olav.


Edited by Angelo - October 19 2008 at 14:16
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:


Sometimes easily.
Example of a short review: "The band X... is Gabriel-era Genesis clone".

8 words, first 6 of them are optional. Enough information, depending on your attitude to Genesis, to be interested or to avoid like a plague. LOL

 
Well, that's not a review, you are placing all the clones in he same level, there are good bands inspired in others that don't reach the clone status, people call Triumvirat an ELP clone, but you can't stop talking aboout the unique and excellent arrangements of Illusions on a Double Dimple.
 
You can say X band is a Genesis clone in a post on a Forum, but those words are not a review of an album, just an opinion.
 
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Worse - it may be a fact that a band is a Genesis clone, in which case it's not a review anymore. A review should express the opinion of the reviewer, concerning the contents of an album.
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Worse - it may be a fact that a band is a Genesis clone, in which case it's not a review anymore. A review should express the opinion of the reviewer, concerning the contents of an album.


As the Ivan example of what have to have a review i add  this:
Arguments why you think that album is good or not.






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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Longer is not always better and it may get harder to read. But at the same time we're not all trained writers, and it may take some exercise to get some _real_information_ into 75 words. So, in order to write an informational review, it may still be wise to take 150 words as a guideline for the minimum. Force yourself to write something with actual content...

(regarding the end of the last sentence: is there a way to 'strike through' ellipses? Big smile)
 
That's true Angelo, it's wise to make 150 words reviews, specially for a couple of reasons:

A decent review at least needs:

1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

Do you believe this can be done in 100 words?

Ivān



It can be done, as I said, by a trained and experienced writer...

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Heh, with a 150 word limit about half of my reviews will disappear. Are they really that bad and uninformative...?


...like Olav.


Hm. Two points:

1. I don't think influences are a vital point, since a) I might not know the influence, b) it's perhaps a bit prejudicial, c) I really don't care about them much.
2. The general description can probably act as a justification in most cases.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angelo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 14:31
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Longer is not always better and it may get harder to read. But at the same time we're not all trained writers, and it may take some exercise to get some _real_information_ into 75 words. So, in order to write an informational review, it may still be wise to take 150 words as a guideline for the minimum. Force yourself to write something with actual content...

(regarding the end of the last sentence: is there a way to 'strike through' ellipses? Big smile)
 
That's true Angelo, it's wise to make 150 words reviews, specially for a couple of reasons:

A decent review at least needs:

1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

Do you believe this can be done in 100 words?

Ivān



It can be done, as I said, by a trained and experienced writer...

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Heh, with a 150 word limit about half of my reviews will disappear. Are they really that bad and uninformative...?


...like Olav.


Hm. Two points:

1. I don't think influences are a vital point, since a) I might not know the influence, b) it's perhaps a bit prejudicial, c) I really don't care about them much.
2. The general description can probably act as a justification in most cases.


Hmm. I never read Iván's post as saying all 5 should be separate items. If one paragraph fulfils the need of 2 items, they're still there...   Influences are debatable perhaps, as for older bands they are likely already in the bio. For new bands, that doesn't hold and they definitely should be part of the review to serve others than you, who might be interested. Stern Smile

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Worse - it may be a fact that a band is a Genesis clone, in which case it's not a review anymore. A review should express the opinion of the reviewer, concerning the contents of an album.


As the Ivan example of what have to have a review i add  this:
Arguments why you think that album is good or not.


That is just using other words for "the justification of the rating", and "the opinion of the reviewer, concerning the contents of an album." if I'm not mistaken. Guess we agree on that then, Zafreth. Wink
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Longer is not always better and it may get harder to read. But at the same time we're not all trained writers, and it may take some exercise to get some _real_information_ into 75 words. So, in order to write an informational review, it may still be wise to take 150 words as a guideline for the minimum. Force yourself to write something with actual content...

(regarding the end of the last sentence: is there a way to 'strike through' ellipses? Big smile)
 
That's true Angelo, it's wise to make 150 words reviews, specially for a couple of reasons:

A decent review at least needs:

1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

Do you believe this can be done in 100 words?

Ivān



It can be done, as I said, by a trained and experienced writer...

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Heh, with a 150 word limit about half of my reviews will disappear. Are they really that bad and uninformative...?


...like Olav.


Hm. Two points:

1. I don't think influences are a vital point, since a) I might not know the influence, b) it's perhaps a bit prejudicial, c) I really don't care about them much.
2. The general description can probably act as a justification in most cases.


Hmm. I never read Iván's post as saying all 5 should be separate items. If one paragraph fulfils the need of 2 items, they're still there...   Influences are debatable perhaps, as for older bands they are likely already in the bio. For new bands, that doesn't hold and they definitely should be part of the review to serve others than you, who might be interested. Stern Smile

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Worse - it may be a fact that a band is a Genesis clone, in which case it's not a review anymore. A review should express the opinion of the reviewer, concerning the contents of an album.


As the Ivan example of what have to have a review i add  this:
Arguments why you think that album is good or not.


That is just using other words for "the justification of the rating", and "the opinion of the reviewer, concerning the contents of an album." if I'm not mistaken. Guess we agree on that then, Zafreth. Wink


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I agree, if your review is one of the first reviews it is reasonable to follow the scheme:
1.- Introduction.
2.- General description of the album.
3.- Best tracks
4.- Influences
5.- Justification of the rating

But, I already wrote about it in another thread, in case of popular albums, rated hundreds of times, writing long reviews is madness! 

I think before submitting a review it's worth to read other reviews and think whether you have something new to say. Simple idea, but it seems no one cares. Why? Are we only writers, not readers LOL?


 
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