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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2008 at 13:05
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


And although I, like Dean, would like the option not to have rate an album that one reviews, I certainly have been swayed by ratings as to what should be more essential purchases, or at least what is worth further investigation (generally, I've found it a good guide -- I haven't found the placement in the top lists that helpful -- which also depends on number of ratings --, but the overall rating has influenced my purchases considerably.  I do like to listen to mp3s before buying if available -- a representative mp3 is worth a  thousand words, but the ratings often have swayed me towards investigating certain albums, as has going through streaming mp3s alone).  In quite a few cases, it's been a well-written bio that has influenced me.


Exactly, there is most definitely a lot of utility value for ratings and they have swayed me towards particular albums too - it has happened to just about everyone, I am sure - but I just feel that the review being a more in depth exercise should be kept separate from the ratings. While there is a judgmental element in reviews too, the descriptive element is far more important. It's quite possible that the album the reviewer thinks is bad might be good for me but if he can describe what the album sounds like - and there are most definitely ways to do it without getting lost in a maze of technical jargon - he would still have been helpful to me.
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In this post http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51697&PID=2998812#2998812  I wondered what is the minimum limit, or limits, if there are two kinds of reviews/ratings.

I like the idea, but I'm not sure if reviews over 50 and under 100 words are possible anymore (I think they should be because for example I want to read shorter reviews also - now there's only separation between collaborators and "raters"), though,,
WELL there are guidelines in some albums that refer to 50 whereas some say 100 is the minimum. So it's really some kind of mistake. And one of my reviews was under 150 words so it didn't appear at all (That's because there's new rules? Where are they written?)

There should be more clear guidelines. (Is there a problem linking, because like I said, some album guidelines still say 50 words (and suggesting 75)? for example http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=19920). I see there's difference between reviews and reviews&ratings' page.

And where did I get that 150? Somewhere only 200 words are shown.

And some reviews aren't shown anywhere? What's the point.



Edited by progressive - October 14 2008 at 13:46

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150 words should definitely appear OK. I think the actual count is done on letters (about 200) as it's easier, so any word limit is just an indication.

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Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

This comes from the collaborators reviews, which kinda surprised me. anyways, they are almost word for word, neither offering more than the other.
This is Igor's original review http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=81702. and this is the copy by b_olariu http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125709http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125709





can I offer a suggestion.... stick to posting...  people don't take kindly to being reported.. and the only real similarity is they are short, don't care for the album.. and start by saying the album is the only one they have.  Whether collab or not... but yes.. especially for a collab who are judged by their own ...  accusing someone of copying or whatever your point is... unless you are SURE.. is bad news. and If you aren't doing that... what is the point of your post...


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Probably Igor, like a vampire, came to b_olariu at night... Even white spaces are missing at the same places. Lack of imagination?
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This is the only HARMONIUM album I own,and I have no further wish to buy anything else from them.I was told this is a Masterpiece.I saw it in PA's Top 50.And I finally got it.And I'm a bit disappointed. Their songs have left me unimpressed.The first epic has nice mellotron mid-part,but I can name dozens of bands which have better ones.The closing instrumental has some nice moments,but it's a bit boring and usual. I can't get what's the hype around this album.There are thousands of bands needing more attention than this one!The album is not even GOOD,BUT NON-ESSENTIAL:there are 5-6 minutes of nice music I'm able to listen to!Exusance for these 2 stars,but it doesn't worth more for me.I hope I've explained it pretty clear

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This is the only Harmonium album I own, and at least this one is very poor symphonic album, i don't know the rest of their discography. I was told this is a Masterpiece. I saw it in PA's Top 100. And I'm a bit disappointed. Their songs have left me unimpressed.The first epic has nice mellotron mid-part,but I can name dozens of bands which have better ones.The closing instrumental has some nice moments,but it's a bit boring and usual. I can't get what's the fuss around this album.There are thousands of bands needing more attention than this one!The album is 3 star. And i don't get the comparation with Vivaldi that Sean Trane said here. Still good but most of the time usual music. 3 stars


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

This comes from the collaborators reviews, which kinda surprised me. anyways, they are almost word for word, neither offering more than the other.
This is Igor's original review http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=81702. and this is the copy by b_olariu http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125709http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125709





can I offer a suggestion.... stick to posting...  people don't take kindly to being reported.. and the only real similarity is they are short, don't care for the album.. and start by saying the album is the only one they have.  Whether collab or not... but yes.. especially for a collab who are judged by their own ...  accusing someone of copying or whatever your point is... unless you are SURE.. is bad news. and If you aren't doing that... what is the point of your post...


Im sorry if i offended anyone. Confused
ok so no-one likes being reported. obviously. its not like i have a vendetta or was doing this maliciously.
i have nothing against the reviewer i just stumbled across it and thought maybe id bring it up. apparantly that was 'bad news'. i AM pretty sure it was copied though. . . not in full but in most of the content. its word for word. that doesnt happen on accident. little bits are cropped out but for the most part, its the same review.
this is the first time ive seen someone get jumped on for reporting a review. Again, it wasnt like i was doing it maliciously.
i guess i owe an appology?
sorry i offended you mickey.
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Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

This comes from the collaborators reviews, which kinda surprised me. anyways, they are almost word for word, neither offering more than the other.
This is Igor's original review http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=81702. and this is the copy by b_olariu http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125709http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=125709





can I offer a suggestion.... stick to posting...  people don't take kindly to being reported.. and the only real similarity is they are short, don't care for the album.. and start by saying the album is the only one they have.  Whether collab or not... but yes.. especially for a collab who are judged by their own ...  accusing someone of copying or whatever your point is... unless you are SURE.. is bad news. and If you aren't doing that... what is the point of your post...


Im sorry if i offended anyone. Confused
ok so no-one likes being reported. obviously. its not like i have a vendetta or was doing this maliciously.
i have nothing against the reviewer i just stumbled across it and thought maybe id bring it up. apparantly that was 'bad news'. i AM pretty sure it was copied though. . . not in full but in most of the content. its word for word. that doesnt happen on accident. little bits are cropped out but for the most part, its the same review.
this is the first time ive seen someone get jumped on for reporting a review. Again, it wasnt like i was doing it maliciously.
i guess i owe an appology?
sorry i offended you mickey.


I  was a bit strong... but sort of am protective of people...  so I'm the one whose sorry. Listen.. neither of them is a native speaker of English and yes... they are a bit similar... but suspect many that are short and have relatively the same point of views are.  The main thing is...  the bad news I meant.. was not some lightning bolt was going to strike you down.. but as collabs we work together and you get a sense of the kind of people we are.   These guys aren't two Joe Plumbers that wandered in ...but 2 valued contributors to the site...  and I for one ..tend to give the benefit of the doubt that Igor wouldn't knowingly copy another reivew... and by reporting it in this way.. this is exactly what is being insinuated. So sorry if I came down on you hard.. and I did...... consider it more sticking up for them.
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^ Igor's review was posted several months earlier! So he did not copy a thing.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Igor's review was posted several months earlier! So he did not copy a thing.



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^ I think it's enough to tell Bogdan to re-write his review and to swear on the Bible (or any other Holy Book, according to his choice) never use copy-paste function for such purposes.


Though, if new rule, no less than 150 words in review, will be applied, the problem will be sold automatically - both reviews will be invisible.   

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Clap I agree...  Bogdan should rewrite it, to avoid the thought of having copied a similar review.  and yes... as collabs. I think the reviews could have been a bit more substantial.. 150 words min would be a nice rule. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

 150 words min would be a nice rule. 

I don't think so. It's not good to change such rules. Why force people to speak more and more?
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ahhhh... better and more informative reviews perhaps LOL
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Well, maybe it would.... Big smile
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hahahhaha... yes...  I do tend to use them a bit much don't I....
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

ahhhh... better and more informative reviews perhaps LOL

Longer does not always mean better.
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...what can I say... ...if you admit it yourself... ...we're half way there...

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hahaha...what can I say...(myself)...if not for these...the members here...no...make that...the world!...would stop spilling coffee...and tea, in UK's case...in their or its (hahahaha) laps...these elipses are...and always will be...masterliness...
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hahhaha....  I was able to kick booze and weed...  maybe someday I'll take the 12 step Ellipse program
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

ahhhh... better and more informative reviews perhaps LOL

Longer does not always means better.
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But the little girls understand" (W. Dixon) Wink


longer is not always better  I agree.. nor always more informative..  but I like the odds LOL
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