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Treasure ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 09 2008 Location: Bland Street Status: Offline Points: 298 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37422 |
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Perhaps this should be Yay for it's Prog, or Nay for it's not Prog. ;)
Though it's been suggested more than once and had some support, Necrophagist is not in the archives, so expect this topic to be moved. The Prog Metal team rejected it (from the progfreak chart).
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Treasure ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 09 2008 Location: Bland Street Status: Offline Points: 298 |
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The Doctor ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
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You know. This brings some disturbing imagery to mind. And reminds me of an ex-girlfriend of mine who once asked me upon reading the word sarcophagus, if it was pronounced "Sar co fag iss" (really "sar coff ig us") hence the disturbing imagery...you put the pieces together.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37422 |
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I believe that it was rejected at least two years ago, and the Prog Metal parameters may have changed enough for it to be considerable again (and the team has some different faces/ ideas). Now that this has been moved to "Suggest New Bands" rather than "General Music Discussions" (where I thought it might be moved), the power-that-be (he who moved it) is, to an extent, offering it another chance -- at least when it comes to members voicing their opinions on its prog-worthiness in the suggestions forum intended for such things. As to whether the Prog Metal team want to reconsider, that's up to them. I know your yay/nay question referred to whether people like them or not, but since this was moved to this Suggestions forum rather than General Music Discussions, it would be more appropriate for it to mean "Is it Prog, or not?" Yay for Prog, nay for not Prog. Oh, and what about Cephalic Carnage? ;) |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37422 |
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Incidentally, for those that don't know the band, here is the official myspace page ( http://www.myspace.com/necrophagistde ), the official website ( http://necrophagist.de/ ), and a wikipedia page on the band ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophagist ).
For what it's worth, Wikipedia lists it under Progressive Metal groups as well as in other categories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Progressive_metal_musical_groups |
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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I love Necrophagist and still can't wait for the day they come to Melbourne to do a gig.
But for the "are they prog or not" question, it's a nay and to be honest, I don't think they will be reconsidered by the prog metal team again. They are Technical Death Metal, and while being one of the best in the genre IMO, they are nothing more, nothing less. In a way, I can liken them to the Joe Satriani situation..... very obvious virtuosity, some experimentation, but for the most part nothing really progressive about it. Necrophagist use a lot of the same/similar song structures for many of their songs, are not compositionally complex at all and don't have much experimentation either. |
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Jake Kobrin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
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They're quite technical. Tech Death not prog IMO. Still an awesome band!
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Jake Kobrin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
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Hey, if Necrophagist gets in then Nile should be allowed in too!!!
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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I doubt either band will make it in ever, but now that I think about it, I tend to think Nile does show at least a tiny bit of "prog relatedness" in their sound, but not enough to get into PA in any way or form though.
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Moatilliatta ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
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Definitely nay. Decent, highly skilled band having very little to do with prog. But at this point we might as well throw them and Nile into prog related, and we can just change the category to "bands that don't belong here but several members enjoy."
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www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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Is virtuosity all of the sudden progressive?! Come on, guys...
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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Logan's observation was correct. Moved.
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UMUR ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3073 |
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Where has this discussion been moved to ? I would like to make a comment.
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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Oh crap.
Now that it's moved, it would change the meaning of the poll completely. I already voted Nay:( but now that it's here in General Discussions, it's a Yay. Goddamnit:\ |
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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I don't see a problem with them under prog-related.
It seems that that genre has hardly a problem here when deciding about right-wing (ultra-conservative) bands such as Rainbow and balks at something coming at it from left-field.
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UMUR ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3073 |
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Necrophagist is ultra brutal death metal first and foremost, but that doesnīt mean they shouldnīt be on PA IMO. I think there are lots of elements on Epitaph that should earn them a place here. First of all because of the extreme virtuosity displayed. There are time signature changes here and there that is not ordinary on other death metal albums and of course the beautiful classical influenced sweeping guitar solos. Iīll admit that necrophagist is on the edge of what PA should include, but they are not much different from other tech death metal bands which are already included on this site: Martyr, Gorod and Death for instance.
And Logan: Cephalic Carnage. Oh Yeah why not. Great innovative band. They are most definitely progressive IMO.
Not so long ago I suggested Decapitated to the metal team and sadly they turned them down. Thatīs another tech death metal band Iīm having a hard time understanding why people donīt want on PA.
Cryptopsy ? Anyone ?
The list is long and I can probably find a few more in a heartbeat, but it seems that the nay sayers have a hard time differentiating between ultra fast and brutal death metal like Suffocation and ultra fast and brutal tech death metal like Necrophagist. Thereīs a difference IMO and that difference should earn at least some of the most obvious tech death metal bands a place on PA.
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Rocktopus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
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My question: Yey or Nay polls; Yey of Nay?
I'm gonna have to go with Nay. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37422 |
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After listening to the myspace page, while recognising that that often is not an ideal way, or sufficient, to judge a band for a Prog category, I would say that this is a Tech/Death metal band with some progressive tendencies. That said, I'm hardly an expert on the style of music. Interestingly, though wikipedia does not list it, Cephalic Carnage has a stronger case from what I know, but I know CC better.
Nay for me, to be honest (whichever the question is). I'm not really a fan of death metal, and based on my too limited listening experience, and inexperience with the style, it's not really Prog (though I discern a certain prog metal relatedness). However, some who know the music and style much better than I (which is a ton of people really) think it proggier. I love to share my ill-informed opinions. :) |
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topofsm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
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The more I hear Necrophagist's work the more I'm impressed by it. At first, it sounds like just basic extreme metal with nothing but noise, but the more I listen the more bits of melody and harmony come in, and some sections stick out.
Necrophagist and Nile are definetely progressive extreme metal bands. Whether they will ever be here remains to be seen, though I would love to see them here.
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