The Stranglers???

BaldJean wrote: BaldFriede wrote: ANY band that uses polyphony for their songs should be considered prog; it is in my opinion a decisive criterion. absolutely. if that is not a clear criterion, then what is?

• The Stranglers  considered themselves part of the Punk movement,

You were perceived in the press as being punk but not perhaps by your peers JJ. I thought of myself as part of it at the time because we were inhabiting the same flora and fauna. We were going to the same The few pubs that would let us play were attracting a certain kind of public and the girls that we were shagging were young punkettes. I was definitely after girls with fishnet tights ands stilettos and leather jackets and lots of heavy makeup. Hugh was mixing with postgrad girls round Kensington. I wasn’t so fussy and I identified with that scene. I also got into a lot of fights and looked for trouble. I soon considered the punks a bit wimpy. We were a crossover. More hardcore punks definitely didn’t like us and the kids 17/18 adopted us as their punk band.    I remember Joe Strummer crying on my shoulder when Stranglers supported Patti Smith saying he wanted a band like ours. (Interestingly this recollection is also recounted by Hugh but he has 'his' shoulder as the one being cried on). The Stranglers were more like American punk than English punk. The others in the band found it a restrictive moniker because we very eclectic in our tastes. f**ks sake I love a lot of classical music and jazz. I’m not going to restrict my influences and write a punk song. People lumped us in with it and we were playing the same venues and a lot of the audience was a crossover. Its not a thing that has kept me awake at night. I would like to think we were more punk plus and then some. http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/stranglersjjburnelin052.htm   Interview to JJ Burnel

Now we now more than them about their own music.

• Their own official website considers them leaders of the Punk movement:

So began the ever changing recording career of the Stranglers. The punk scene was a matter of weeks from its own genesis in Britain and indeed, many of the soon-to-be punk stars had become regulars at the Stranglers’ performances, the Stranglers being the clear leaders of an as yet un-named new style of music.   http://www.stranglers.net/b_ground.html

• Punk 77 also considers them Punk  http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/Stranglers.htm , everybody considers them Punk,
• Nobody in the whole net considers them Prog, but we want to add them "because we are so open minded" (Not your case Baldies, I respect your opinion but don't agree).

Post-rock appears to take a heavy influence from late '60s U.S. group The Velvet Underground and their "dronology" — "a term that loosely describes fifty percent of today's post rock activity."^[10]

The "Krautrock" of the 1960s and '70s would also exert a strong influence on post-rock, particularly via the "motorik", or characteristic rhythm of much Krautrock.

British group Public Image Ltd (PiL) were also pioneers, described by the NME^[11] as "[a]rguably the first post-rock group." Their second album Metal Box (1979) almost completely abandoned traditional rock and roll structures in favor of dense, repetitive dub- and krautrock-inspired soundscapes and John Lydon's cryptic, stream-of-consciousness lyrics. The year before Metal Box was released, PiL bassist Jah Wobble declared, "rock is obsolete."^[12] Flowers of Romance (1981), their third album, was an even more radical departure, emphasizing rattling percussion and abstract tape music.

The shoegazing movement of the late 1980s and early '90s was also a predecessor of post rock, with bands like My Bloody Valentine devoting as much, or more, attention to unorthodox, layered guitar textures than to traditional guitar sounds.

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