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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 05 2008 at 22:46
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

If Prog is about pushing the boundaries, what's wrong with discussing whether such a band as Funkadelic might be prog.
 
Discussing is no problem adding a non Prog band is wrong

Ivan, one thing about the music charts is that generally speaking, if a band's main audience was black, it was listed in the R n B / Black charts (sometimes referred to as "Urban" now). And unless it really sold enough to get into the mainstream charts, that's where it stayed.
 
For God's sake, they were a R&B band oriented towards Funk,,,,,BBlack Music was the name used to define R&B until 1978

I'd like to hear from others ( not to be mean, just to see if there are more than two strongly held and knowledgeable views among PA denizens).
I do recall reading reviews about the early albums that mentioned Hendrix, Sun Ra, Psychedelia, rock / proto-metal influences and hues in the mix that Clinton put together.
 
Every musician influences the oiones that come after him, Elvis Presley influenced all Rock, the Stones influebced posterior musicians even Prog, but that doesn't mean we are going to add them ubless they play music that is directly related with Progressive Rock.
 
 
Maybe it's just that as "white" folk, we are too quick to dismiss anything rhythmic ( I mean in the shake your booty, dance your ass off sense, not the 11/8, or 7/4) as somehow simplistic and not deserving of recognition for the pushing out of boundaries that some of the best of them did accomplish.
 
Are you accusing me, a Peruvian and for that reason a Latino of being racist? I believe this is Censored
 
Haven't you read I have most Funkadelic albums?
 
Do you believe latinos don't love rhythm, don't you believe I ever danced Salsa even when I don't believe there's Progressive Salsa? Do you know I'm a Ruben Blades fan and mentioned here repeatedly?
 
Better check who added OSIBISA to the Archives against the opinion of many.....You can't get more black and rhytmic than OISIBISA.
 
 
Heck, If Miles Davis can be here, I'd like to see an analysis of James Brown's 60s output and compare the rhythmic, melodic, contrapuntal and simple and complex interplay displayed by his music as opposed to many of our more "basic" proggers. (now if I can remember where I dug that nuclear bunker)
 
Miles Davis is a Fusion Musician who blended Rock and Jazz being one of the fathers of Prog Fusion, James Brwon never played a single Prog note.
 
Sadly this is what I expected happened, people is using him as a catapult to add non Prog artists.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 00:11
Ivan, I also make many mistakes/ typos, and when my antivirus updater or other programs kick in, whole words or sometimes sentences that I type don't show up, and I don't always catch it.  Except sometimes when I'm in the typing zone, I look at the keyboard, not the screen as I'm typing (I'm fast, but when not careful, prone to errors... Silly cause I work with the typed word, and in work I'm necessarily more meticulous).
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Ivan in black, Logan in red and red italics.
 
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


Ivan: Just to clarify, you didn't say that in your post where you used the billboard charts, and that's what I was referring to.  You just said "'nuff said."  It wasn't for me becuase I didn't know the significance of labels there or how good a guide it is for judging the prog or prog-related worthiness of a band for PA.  I put the EDIT to indicate that I was preparing the post before you responded with the clarifications (took me more than five minutes to do that post, so I didn't see the appropriate post until after I posted).  You also had to edit yours in relation to my edit.  Though I know we've discussed the charts before, and how useful they are for evaluation here, I don't find their labelling very much help.  Others, seeing pop, would have assumed that it's pop music, and that was part of your argument.  Clearly the band was innolved in the greater rock music scene

No Logan, I edited my post at:  Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - Today at 16:19

The post I was referring to was Yesterday at 17:18, five minutes before I responded 9with the post with EDIT written in it.  I was trying to explain about my one where I used chart examples before reading your post.

You posted your reply at: Posted: Today at 16:50

The  post I was referring to i posted at
17:23Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
 
"Others, seeing pop, would have assumed that it's pop music, and that [that] was part of your argument.  Clearly the band was involved in the greater rock music scene.  I thought that would be clearer if I added the whole paragraph (you only quoted part)"

 
NO Logan, I am passionate in my replies, but I never played a double game...Follow my posts... since my first post I never said Funkadelic is POP, because I don't believe they are POP at all, if you want I quote my first post:

Never meant to imply that you had claimed it was pop, that was a grammatical error on my part -- one "that" was missing.  I meant that by posting the chart which shows pop, others who don't know how they use "pop" might assume that that was part of your argument (I missed the extra that).  They might wrongly assume that part of your claim for their archives unworthiness is because it is being called pop.


 
Iván wrote:
Quote Please guys Funkadelic  IS FUNK not Prog.
 
Funkadelic enters un the category of R&B!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
BTW: Answering a Jeopardy question about King Crimson doesn't qualify for Prog artist neither the use of synths.
 
We are crossing the line each day more.
 
Who's next.?....KC & The Sunshine Band? Or maybe Earth Wind & Fire? 
 
Iván
 
Did I ever said POP?  Please accuse me of being passionate, stubborn, but not or lying, I never lie or play double games.

It was the chart that said pop.  I don't go around accusing people of lying -- better to assume that it's an honest mistake or miscommunication.
 
As you see, from the start my objection was because they are a R&B / Funk band; giving them an award as POP band was like giving "The Crest of the Knave" by Jethro Tull a  Grammy.in the Heavy Metal category LOL
 
BTW: I edit almost every post (like thisone) because I make a lot of typos or gramatical mistakes that I correct.

Me too, just thought your edit was in response to my edit which I made after seeing your post after you "Streudelled" me (a term we used for such posts at another board that got in too fast that it invalidated, or made redundant one's own response).



It is funk, and more, and not just a case of funk, funk, funk and mo' funk.
 
But it's Funk, that's my point, and Funk is not Prog.

At that same board where we would Streudel each other, I was called Funk (or the Funkster) -- so I can't help but imagine you're calling me not Prog.  I've just thought of them having a progressive funk-rock phase.
 
"Edit: You got in as I was preparing my post. Not every P-Funk album at the charts is listed as R&B, and I'm not sure that prog-related (or even progressive rock) rock can not be strongly R&B under this site's purview."
But in this case we are talking about a primarilly and almost exclusively FUNK band

I just thought the psyche infleunce and rock elements more significant even though it is a primarily funk band (maybe THE funk band -- it certainly is one funked up motherfunkin funk band).

Certianly many progressive bands in the archives have a funk element, and R&B.  It is primarily Funk of course, but I'm not convinced that a funk band can not be sufficiently on the progressive rock side, or Prog Related.  I think they're sufficiently funk-rock, and progressive, to be considerable.

There's a difference between being Prog and having some Funk element, than having a band called FUNKadelic which is almost exclusively FUNK.

Here's a quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk

Originally posted by wikipedia wikipedia wrote:


1970s and P-Funk

In the 1970s, a new group of musicians further developed the "funk rock" approach innovated by George Clinton, with his main bands Parliament and, later, Funkadelic. Together, they produced a new kind of funk sound heavily influenced by jazz and psychedelic rock. The two groups had members in common and often are referred to singly as "Parliament-Funkadelic." The breakout popularity of Parliament-Funkadelic gave rise to the term "P-Funk," which referred to the music by George Clinton's bands, and defined a new subgenre.

"P-funk" also came to mean something in its quintessence, of superior quality, or sui generis, as in the lyrics from "P-Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up)" a hit single from Parliament's album "Mothership Connection":

So it's not altogether different from jazz-rock fusion.  If we didn't have jazz-rock here, I wouldn't be so keen on funk rock artists.

Iván

PS: I changed the last part of your reply to red, in order to separete what you wrote from my reply.




Some further edits of no real substance... But goes back to miscommunication issues (not your fault, me not being clear enough).  I thought you usually tried to quote everything, and not just snippets, otherwise context can be lost.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 00:38

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Ivan, I also make many mistakes/ typos, and when my antivirus updater or other programs kick in, whole words or sometimes sentences that I type don't show up, and I don't always catch it.  Except sometimes when I'm in the typing zone, I look at the keyboard, not the screen as I'm typing (I'm fast, but when not careful, prone to errors... Silly cause I work with the typed word, and in work I'm necessarily more meticulous).
My new comments are italicised in red.

Yes, it's silly, specially  for a lawyer that types all day. Wink


Others, seeing pop, would have assumed that it's pop music, and that [that] was part of your argument.  Clearly the band was involved in the greater rock music scene

 
NO Logan, it wasn't part of my argument, I clearly stated that my objection was for the R&B/Funk elements

Never meant to imply that you had claimed it was pop, that was a grammatical error on my part -- one "that" was missing.  I meant that by posting the chart which shows pop, others who don't know how they use "pop" might assume that that was part of your argument (I missed the extra that).  They might wrongly assume that part of your claim for their archives unworthiness is because it is being called pop.

Don't worry, but again, I only copied all the Billboard awaeds they earned.
 

Me too, just thought your edit was in response to my edit which I made after seeing your post after you "Streudelled" me (a term we used for such posts at another board that got in too fast that it invalidated, or made redundant one's own response).
 
I understand Logan, but as you saw, my edit was posted before your second post.


At that same board where we would Streudel each other, I was called Funk (or the Funkster) -- so I can't help but imagine you're calling me not Prog.  I've just thought of them having a progressive funk-rock phase.
 
I don't qualify people for what they listen, I listen a lot of music bedsides Prog.
 
I just thought the psyche infleunce and rock elements more significant even though it is a primarily funk band (maybe THE funk band -- it certainly is one funked up motherfunkin funk band).

Yes, they had some Psyche elements but again, we are talking mainly about a R&B/Funk band, and you should remember that not all Psychedelic bands are Prog Related, there are thousands that are not and will never be listed here.

Here's a quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk

Originally posted by wikipedia wikipedia wrote:


1970s and P-Funk

In the 1970s, a new group of musicians further developed the "funk rock" approach innovated by George Clinton, with his main bands Parliament and, later, Funkadelic. Together, they produced a new kind of funk sound heavily influenced by jazz and psychedelic rock. The two groups had members in common and often are referred to singly as "Parliament-Funkadelic." The breakout popularity of Parliament-Funkadelic gave rise to the term "P-Funk," which referred to the music by George Clinton's bands, and defined a new subgenre.

"P-funk" also came to mean something in its quintessence, of superior quality, or sui generis, as in the lyrics from "P-Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up)" a hit single from Parliament's album "Mothership Connection":

So it's not altogether different from jazz-rock fusion.  If we didn't have jazz-rock here, I wouldn't be so keen on funk rock artists.

You know what I think about Wikipedia, I trust more in what I listen, they were a fantastic Funk band, wuith some strange elements to their genre, but nothing else.
 
Nobody denies that P-Funk is a superior band, but superior is not a synonymous of Prog, remember P-Funk stands for Parliament Funkadelic not for Prog Funk.
 
The problem with Jazz Fusion is huge already, people can't define where the simple blend of Rock and Jazz ends and where the ¨Jazz-Prog Rock blend starts, anyway, Prog Jazz Fusion is a recognized genre, bands as Mahavishnu or musicians as Jean Luc Ponty are clearly Prog, that's not the case of one single Funk band that has some Psyche (non Prog) elements.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 01:08
I'm Streudelled again.  Was called away on family business, and wanted to clarify some minor matters that I must not have been clear enough on, so edited too late. " I understand Logan, but as you saw, my edit was posted before your second post." A bit late late so mind a bit slow, but it looks like I was referring to a different post.  See above.

"Yes, it's silly, specially  for a lawyer that types all day." I work with post-graduate students, and I have to spend a ton of time going through theses.  What's really ridiculous is that i often work through the night typing, and I'm still typing at a message board when I'm not working, or taking care of my children.  Seriously, that is so wrong.  I spend way too much time at the computer (something I plan to change), and my family and social life does suffer for it.

I wanted to respond to all your points, but I am brain-dead (usually by about two hours after my morning coffee).
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This debate is another example of the confusion that arises when prog (genre) is confused with 'progressive' (adjective). Parliament/Funkadelic are a fabulous example of progressive music, but they are not prog. To include every progressive music act will lead to the addition of everyone from Hank Williams to Stravinsky.

As a general rule, I'd suggest we limit ourselves to progressive (adjective) music acts that had their progressive period during or after the 'classic prog' period of the early 1970s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 01:57
 ^ except that was the Progressive Age, a time when almost every artist was playing, flirting with or taking from Prog Rock because of what the musicians were doing and because it was, for a brief moment, popular enough to sell records   ..in fact I can think of few pop artists between 69 and 75 that didn't do some sort of theme or prog-style album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 02:07
Okay, I'll have a go.

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Ivan, I also make many mistakes/ typos, and when my antivirus updater or other programs kick in, whole words or sometimes sentences that I type don't show up, and I don't always catch it.  Except sometimes when I'm in the typing zone, I look at the keyboard, not the screen as I'm typing (I'm fast, but when not careful, prone to errors... Silly cause I work with the typed word, and in work I'm necessarily more meticulous).
My new comments are italicised in red.

Yes, it's silly, specially  for a lawyer that types all day. Wink


Others, seeing pop, would have assumed that it's pop music, and that [that] was part of your argument.  Clearly the band was involved in the greater rock music scene

 
NO Logan, it wasn't part of my argument, I clearly stated that my objection was for the R&B/Funk elements

Never meant to imply that you had claimed it was pop, that was a grammatical error on my part -- one "that" was missing.  I meant that by posting the chart which shows pop, others who don't know how they use "pop" might assume that that was part of your argument (I missed the extra that).  They might wrongly assume that part of your claim for their archives unworthiness is because it is being called pop.

Don't worry, but again, I only copied all the Billboard awaeds they earned.
 

Me too, just thought your edit was in response to my edit which I made after seeing your post after you "Streudelled" me (a term we used for such posts at another board that got in too fast that it invalidated, or made redundant one's own response).
 
I understand Logan, but as you saw, my edit was posted before your second post. 

Apparently I had not made it clear which post I was referring to.



At that same board where we would Streudel each other, I was called Funk (or the Funkster) -- so I can't help but imagine you're calling me not Prog.  I've just thought of them having a progressive funk-rock phase.
 
I don't qualify people for what they listen, I listen a lot of music bedsides Prog.

The P-Funk influence became a big part of my persona elsewhere.  Actually, I was very into funk a few years before getting back into Prog.  I tend to prefer funky prog to funk these days.
 
I just thought the psyche infleunce and rock elements more significant even though it is a primarily funk band (maybe THE funk band -- it certainly is one funked up motherfunkin funk band).

Yes, they had some Psyche elements but again, we are talking mainly about a R&B/Funk band, and you should remember that not all Psychedelic bands are Prog Related, there are thousands that are not and will never be listed here.

Of course a great many will never be listed here, though I expect more to be included in the future that were dismissed before.

Here's a quote from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk

Originally posted by wikipedia wikipedia wrote:


1970s and P-Funk

In the 1970s, a new group of musicians further developed the "funk rock" approach innovated by George Clinton, with his main bands Parliament and, later, Funkadelic. Together, they produced a new kind of funk sound heavily influenced by jazz and psychedelic rock. The two groups had members in common and often are referred to singly as "Parliament-Funkadelic." The breakout popularity of Parliament-Funkadelic gave rise to the term "P-Funk," which referred to the music by George Clinton's bands, and defined a new subgenre.

"P-funk" also came to mean something in its quintessence, of superior quality, or sui generis, as in the lyrics from "P-Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up)" a hit single from Parliament's album "Mothership Connection":

So it's not altogether different from jazz-rock fusion.  If we didn't have jazz-rock here, I wouldn't be so keen on funk rock artists.

You know what I think about Wikipedia, I trust more in what I listen, they were a fantastic Funk band, wuith some strange elements to their genre, but nothing else.

Me too, but my opinion is based on how I hear the music, not on what others say.  Perhaps one reason why I associate them with Prog is because Jimi Hendrix was an influence (especially on a guitairst), and when i was young I thought of Hendrix as a kind of progressive rock (hell, I still do).
 
Nobody denies that P-Funk is a superior band, but superior is not a synonymous of Prog, remember P-Funk stands for Parliament Funkadelic not for Prog Funk.

Good one! LOL  Of course being good does not equal prog (though I wish being progressive was more important in Prog).
 
The problem with Jazz Fusion is huge already, people can't define where the simple blend of Rock and Jazz ends and where the ¨Jazz-Prog Rock blend starts, anyway, Prog Jazz Fusion is a recognized genre, bands as Mahavishnu or musicians as Jean Luc Ponty are clearly Prog, that's not the case of one single Funk band that has some Psyche (non Prog) elements.

Well, that's true. 

Anyway, perhaps one day we'll get my wish for a Progressive Funk-Rock tag here though -- well if we do bring in more complete multi-tagging for albums (yes, like at Mike's site), funk should be an option.

Iván




Incidentally, for all you funkin' P-Funkers, here is an interesting documentary in three parts (below are hyperlinks):

Part One: "Parliament Funkadelic: One Nat..."
Part Two: "Parliament Funkadelic: One Nat..."
Part Three: " Parliament Funkadelic: One Na..."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 03:01
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

This debate is another example of the confusion that arises when prog (genre) is confused with 'progressive' (adjective). Parliament/Funkadelic are a fabulous example of progressive music, but they are not prog. To include every progressive music act will lead to the addition of everyone from Hank Williams to Stravinsky.

As a general rule, I'd suggest we limit ourselves to progressive (adjective) music acts that had their progressive period during or after the 'classic prog' period of the early 1970s.


^ except that was the Progressive Age, a time when almost every artist was playing, flirting with or taking from Prog Rock because of what the musicians were doing and because it was, for a brief moment, popular enough to sell records   ..in fact I can think of few pop artists between 69 and 75 that didn't do some sort of theme or prog-style album


I'm well aware of the difference between progressive (adjective) music and Prog (noun) and have mentioned that difference a great mnay times myself. Of course, the Funkadelic progressive period we're discussing was during the 70's.  P-Funk was influenced by progressive rock, flirted with it at the least, and of course flirted with themes.  Surely inspired by Sun Ra (and incidentally, Magma also flirted with somewhat similar themes). As David says, not uncommon. 

The late 60s to 70s was a time for great experimentation and progressive music-making across many genres.

Here's an interesting, and amusing if you don't know it, article on the mythology of Parliament: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_Funk_mythology

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Parliament

On Mothership Connection (1975), the first track, "P Funk", concerns a DJ character, who inspired the Lollypop Man (alias the Long Haired Sucker). According to Clinton (who shares credit for the song with Bernie Worrell and Bootsy Collins), he was frustrated that radio stations refused to play his songs and invented his own station (called W-E-F-U-N-K) and a DJ to man it.

On Mothership Connection (1975), Starchild first appeared (inspired equally by Sun Ra's "Black Noah" and Jesus); he is a divine alien being, who came to earth from a spaceship (his arrival is "the Mothership Connection") to bring the holy Funk (with a capital "F": the cause of creation and source of energy and all life), to humanity. As it turns out (according to The Clones of Dr. Funkenstein, 1976), Starchild secretly worked for Dr. Funkenstein, the intergalactic master of outer space Funk, who is capable of fixing all of man’s ills, because the "bigger the headache, the bigger the pill" and he’s the "big pill" ("Dr. Funkenstein," from The Clones of Dr. Funkenstein). Dr. Funkenstein’s predecessors had encoded the secrets of Funk in the Pyramids because humanity wasn’t ready for its existence until the modern era. The titular "clones" are the Children of Productions whose job is to ensure that everyone is on the One.

Starchild’s nemesis is Sir Nose D’Voidoffunk ("Sir Nose Devoid of Funk" from Funkentelechy Vs. the Placebo Syndrome, 1977). Inspired by The Pinocchio Theory of Bootsy's Rubber Band, Sir Nose attempts to end the Funk because he is too cool to dance. He is the master of the Placebo Syndrome, which causes unFunkiness (a combination of stupidity and no dancing). His goal is to place the minds of all humanity into a state called the Zone of Zero Funkativity. Starchild, on the other hand, uses his Bop Gun ("Bop Gun (Endangered Species)," from Funkentelechy Vs the Placebo Syndrome) to achieve Funkentelechy for all humanity. With the Funky powers of the Bop Gun (which are augmented by the Flash Light....Shine the light on them suckas!!!), Starchild causes Sir Nose to reach Funkentelechy, and find his Funky soul. He then dances away the night.

Sir Nose’s return (along with ally Rumpofsteelskin) is detailed on the Motor Booty Affair (1978). Here, Sir Nose is too cool to dance or swim, but Mr. Wiggles and the good citizens of Atlantis (a place where one can swim underwater without getting wet) cause Sir Nose to dance the Aqua Boogie.

On Gloryhallastoopid (1979), Clinton flips the script on "Theme From The Black Hole" (later sampled by Digital Underground for "Same Song") and allows Sir Nose to win one battle by turning Star Child into a mule (the bad guy winning in the end?). Sir Nose’s machinations are undone three tracks later by the Big Bang Theory, which reveals that the Funk caused the creation of the universe, though the only legible clue is the etheral backing vocal line, "So we the clones were designed."

Sir Nose’s last appearance is on Trombipulation (1979), where he traces his ancestry back to the Cro-Nasal Sapiens, who were especially Funky, leading Sir Nose to reclaim his Funky heritage, along with his son, Sir Nose Jr.

...

Fun stuff.

And

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Funkadelic

Funkadelic albums are rather more ethereal and abstract when compared to Parliament’s. Rather than tell the story of a cast of characters, the mythology of Funkadelic is a socially conscious spiritualism.

The Funk is described on the very first song ("Mommy, What's a Funkadelic?") of the very first Funkadelic album (Funkadelic, 1970), in the lines "... my name is Funk/I am not of your world/Hold still, baby, I won't do you no harm/I think I'll be good to you".

On the second album, Free Your Mind... And Your Ass Will Follow (1971), Funk is said to lead to the Kingdom of heaven, which is described as being "within" (the titular song). "Funky Dollar Bill" (off the same album) describes multiple unFunky priorities, all revolving around materialism and consumerism, which have taken over all that is good and true in society (including, on "Eulogy and Light," religion).

One central concept is Maggot Brain (Maggot Brain, 1971), which is an unenlightened small-mindedness, and which must be overcome for humanity to avoid its destruction and decay. It is explicitly ascribed to the titular junkie in "Super Stupid," who has "lost the fight" with fear. Other songs on the album advocate universal love, peace, and brotherhood, and war is explicitly compared to insanity in "Back In Our Minds." The album ends on an apocalyptic note with "Wars of Armageddon," in which the sound of a crying baby can be taken as a direct reference to the speech at the beginning of the title track: "Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up." With its noisy improvisation and activist chanting, the track appears to depict a final confrontation between good and evil.

One Nation Under a Groove (Funkadelic, 1978) introduces Funkadelica, a nation wherein the Funk rules and can’t be either stopped or labeled. The people of Funkadelica are called Funkateers (as are P Funk fans) and are led by Uncle Jam. Their mission is to rescue dance music from the doldrums (unFunkiness).

The album The Electric Spanking of War Babies (1981) refers to the Vietnam War, as characterized by George Clinton.


Now, I'm not saying that P-Funk should be here; I'm just saying that it warrants exploration.  There is merit, I feel, in the notion of P-Funk's inclusion.  It's a fun discussion at the least (well fun for me).



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 ^ except that was the Progressive Age, a time when almost every artist was playing, flirting with or taking from Prog Rock because of what the musicians were doing and because it was, for a brief moment, popular enough to sell records   ..in fact I can think of few pop artists between 69 and 75 that didn't do some sort of theme or prog-style album


Absolutely, which is why I said 'during or after'. Or am I not understanding your point?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 06:12
my point was that even a restriction to only add artists that did prog during that time (or after) would still be problematic as the majority of acts had a 'progressive' period or release; Cat Stevens, Isaac Hayes, Kiss, many others that would be intriguing but confusing additions









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 07:32
^OK, fair enough. But, given we allow progressive (adjective) acts, your summation is what we have. So I don't really see how, on the basis of logic alone, we can discriminate to keep any progressive band out. Not that I want that situation - far from it! As much as I enjoy this site's inclusiveness - I still care far more about discovering new music than I do about defending some notion of prog purity - I'd hate to see true prog acts overwhelmed by acts whose claim for inclusion is a whiff of originality.

I'm still thinking this through, so forgive me if my thoughts seem half baked ...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 07:44
god I love these threads LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 07:53
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

god I love these threads LOL


I'm sure everyone does. What's not to love? Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 07:56
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

god I love these threads LOL


I'm sure everyone does. What's not to love? Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 08:06
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

god I love these threads LOL


I'm sure everyone does. What's not to love? Smile

Clap



well I love that traditional colors like blue, red and black are used...another member once replied within a reply using the color pink, and my eyes were done for...LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 08:09
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

god I love these threads LOL


I'm sure everyone does. What's not to love? Smile

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well I love that traditional colors like blue, red and black are used...another member once replied within a reply using the color pink, and my eyes were done for...LOL


yeah.. honest to God.. some of those quote pyramids can actually put me in the Xmas spirit.. they can look like f**king Christmas trees LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 09:01
Clap  Ahhhhh! Maggot Brain (the song) - psychedelic pure - but the rest???

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 09:39
The prog-rock part of Funkadelic and Parliament is multi-kybdst Bernie Worrell who remains active in prog related activities to this day. He's a fan of Keith Emerson and can match Emerson and any other prog kybdst for classical, jazz and rock technique.

Funny how EW&F is being held up as the bad end of this addition tendency, early EW&F is probably more progressive than P-funk, as well as lot's of bands already on this site. My three favorite all-time prog rock concerts are Crimson, Genesis and EW&F. I consider RnB to be part of rock, just my personal tastes.

You'll add or don't add whoever you like, I don't care, it's a fun site.

P.S. James Brown's introduction of music composed of interlocking melodic parts (a concept he 'borrowed' from Cuban jazz) as opposed to chords and melodies was very progressive and after passing through some other artists eventually became a big influence (possibly unconsciously) on King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes (especially Squire) and others.

P.S. P.S. In retrospect, I think the three previously mentioned classic prog bands borrowed directly from James, just listen to Fripp and Howe's comping technique.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 09:48
^ very true John Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 06 2008 at 11:55
Just a silly little thing to leave my intgrity clear, not for your post, but for what people may believe from this:
 
Logan wrote:
Quote The  post I was referring to i posted at 17:23Sorry if I didn't make that clear
 
Again, my previous post was edited at 17:21, two minutes before you posted your's, I never change a post to fit with a  reply, that would be dishonest, like saying "I knew that, look at my post"
 
And if II ever change a post after a reply (not in this case as you can verify) it's because typos.
 
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