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Avantgardehead
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
Posted: August 30 2008 at 17:29 | |
A think a good old-fashioned purge would greatly benefit the database.
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Figglesnout
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: August 30 2008 at 20:30 | |
I'm still in for expanding the mp3 archive, and perhaps the whole idea of the streamable mp3s.
What if, at least, the album of the week was fully streamable/ Or something like that? Reviews are very important as well, second on my list, but as I said before, i think they are too subjective for only one or two reviews on a certain rare album to be enough to determine the type of album it is. I think the review system works the best when an album has like 15+ reviews, and a critical average in stars accumulates. So, if an album has overall higher scores, one knows it's good, and vice versa. |
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 30 2008 at 21:05 | |
I should also add that the number of people reviewing albums is far greater than the number of people adding bands, which in turn is far greater than the number of people expanding or simplifying the sub genres - so the priorities are effectively set by the number of people involved in each activity. But as Vic pointed out - you can't review an album you haven't heard and many of the albums without a review are rare and hard to find.
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35886 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:09 | |
If I could vote, and multi-tagging albums was an option, that would be my priority -- especially if a search albums by genres function was implemented. For instance, I wish it was easy to search mulkti-genre for an "avant/Zeuhl/Canterbury" album (the "subgenre" would be prioritised depending on the order of the choices).
Adding more artists to the site: that's constantly being done. It expands rapidly that way (though rather slower than it should). It's preparing the bios particularly that is time-consuming (I have several that I've been meaning to do but an addition that I've prepared takes me more hours than most), and categorisation can be very laborious. Expanding the various subgenres?: yes, I definitely want that. I talk about this more later. I would like subsubgenres (this would also be very useful for Prog Related so to more easily find music that is related to a particular category, but would work best once we have implemented multi-tagging. For instance, please suggest me a band in the related category that is not deemed Prog enough for a Prog category that is particularly related to Krautrock, Zeuhl, Avant Prog, Canterbury Scene, or Acid Folk music). As it is, it's difficuly to easily search for such music at PA (and in fact, I would turn to other sources for such searches). Focus on writing reviews without one: Yeah, that's important. I've only written one review, but have been meaning to do another for Jean-Paul Prat's Masal for many months (my favourite album that I discovered thanks to Eclectic team work, and one of my earlier evaluations). It is such a great album, yet no reviews in almost a year). Of course people like to review what they know. Many of the obscure reviews come from those who added (or had others add for them) obscure bands, but it's so much work already just to prepare the addition. Truth be told, I find a well-written bio more helpful than individual album reviews. I like it when the bios review the albums a bit. Adding more mp3 samples to the site?: As I am wont to say, an mp3 is worth a thousand words. That's how I discovered a huge amount of music here early on (back then they were downloadable, but I like the convenience of streams). Love just going to a category page and treawling through all of the mp3s -- great way to expand knowledge. I'd rather one good mp3 off of an album over 50 reviews of that album. I don't use reviews to get people's thoughts on albums I know so much, and I prefer to let my own ears jusdge the music as much as possible. It's actually the ratings which get my attention, and a well, written bio, more than what's written in the reviews. If there is a good for me mp3, though, that's generally enough. Simplifying the genre and subgenre system? I would like it simplified in a way, and expanded in others. I would like it set up more as a tree (preferably a dynamic one done in flash). What's important is the ease of discovering music of interest, and for that I like things well and distictly categorised with similar artists/ bands). As it is, I would rather have subcategories and subsubcategories that are not listed on the front page (those would be master categories). For instance, Prog Metal would be a master category, after clicking on that, one would be taken to the progressive metal divisions. I want more subcategories (and/ or multitagging). I'd like a category for progressive rock that while progressive would not normally be considerd Prog (Prog Related works somewhat well for this), and category that highlights key "progressive music" artists that are not rock but have influenced it or share traits with music in categories here. Examples would be Coltrane, Glass, Stockhausen). I would have temporal limits. I'd also alike a holding cell category for bands that have not been placed in their categories yet (and have that open to all to add, but have strict guidelines). |
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:18 | |
More MP3s > More reviews about albums with no or lesser reviews > More artists
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35886 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:27 | |
I'll be sure to keep an eye out for your reviews! I'd definitely put more artists higher, though. Incidentally, we can't add mp3s for every artist as some, as well as the labels, don't permit them (big mistake I think). Of course the artist has to be added before the mp3s, but if it had not been for mp3s, I wouldn't have invested in many artists. |
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:42 | |
I think that having MP3s for Jean Paul Prat, Bijelo Dugme, Attila Kollar, La Pura Realidad, Estradasphere or Subterranean Masquerade is much more important than having MP3s for King Crimson or Pink Floyd. Reviews would also be nice, but MP3s are an easier start IMO for promoting lesser known bands.
Adding new artistis is going well, as always, I don't think that can ever be an issue of concern. |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35886 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 16:49 | |
Good points. |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 18:25 | |
I think that mp3s are much less important today than they were 4 years ago ... most bands have their myspace page with several full length samples.
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Jared
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19322 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 18:32 | |
while I absolutely agree with that Mike, I still think they are quite useful for bands which have been around for many years, where PA can introduce members to a more balanced set of MP3s from their body of work. Most Myspace pages I visit naturally weight tunes toward the last couple of albums.
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35886 |
Posted: August 31 2008 at 18:42 | |
True too. Where I found the mp3s most useful here was discovering the music of many bands from specific categories here by clicking on a category. It's such a convenient way to explore much music of a category. For instance, I would open the Progressive Electronic page and could use the streaming flash application to listen to a huge number of bands at once (sometimes skipping ones that didn't automatically appeal/ intrigue me). I discovered many bands/ artists that way, and expanded my knowledge greatly about categories through that means. The later I would search myspace (shame how many bands don't have myspace pages -- even ones not from the classic era, and I do think we should have more mp3s here. i should add some becuase there are those which have neither myspace pages nor streaming music here. e.g. one of my favourites - Hellebore). |
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clarke2001
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
Posted: September 01 2008 at 07:26 | |
Adding more artist, more artists, and some more artists.
But with a good biography. There's no point of piling random names in the database that mean nothing to almost nobody. I know it's difficult to write a good bio, especially if the band is obscure - I am myself guilty of writing of some biographies that are not par excellence, but if there's no bio, there should be a review. Since reviews are getting written by a member's personal preference, not as a goal to be achieved (I'm talking about a whole body of forum members as a unit), then we should add more artists..with relevant info (bio and/or mp3's). |
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: September 01 2008 at 21:06 | |
no more psots ?
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65266 |
Posted: September 01 2008 at 21:26 | |
I'll chime in on the bio thing ..biography writing is challenging in itself, then sometimes there's lack of info, foreign languages, conflicting information, multiple bands with the same name and style ..but really a bio should be written even if it's just a few tidbits of info you were able to get; a year, band member names, instruments, influences, it can be done !!
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: September 01 2008 at 21:26 | |
Why can't I vote?
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: September 02 2008 at 00:24 | |
It's not in a section of the forum which allows polls. |
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Windhawk
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 28 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 11401 |
Posted: September 02 2008 at 05:23 | |
Yeah, for some reason this post was moved away from the polls - sadly. The thought behind this one was more to see what the users thought by casting a vote in a quick poll than to have a discussion going really.
Oh well, guess there's a reson for this though...
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: September 02 2008 at 09:24 | |
I think here the discussion, which is about how to improve the site, is more useful than the poll.
We're looking at whether to open up this section to polls though.
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: September 02 2008 at 13:16 | |
I think the easiest things at the moment are the requests for PA denizens to review the unreviewed, and to also verify official band websites as many no longer exists, if they ever did at all.
The genre clean up/re-classification/re-distribution/new sub sub sub(to infinity) genres is really a never ending road that so far only causes more heated debate that ultimately goes nowhere. |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Alberto Muñoz
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: September 04 2008 at 20:52 | |
I should also add that the number of people reviewing albums is far greater than the number of people adding bands,
Of course that's because the admins are quite reluctant to add more people to the prog reviewer status or collaborator status. See the site have more than 20,000 members, and do you think that you can hadle with the current Admin team and collaborator team??
which in turn is far greater than the number of people expanding or simplifying the sub genres - so the priorities are effectively set by the number of people involved in each activity. But as Vic pointed out - you can't review an album you haven't heard and many of the albums without a review are rare and hard to find. [/QUOTE]
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