Herbie Hancock

micky wrote: obviously many people have their attentions elsewhere.  Had hoped announcing Steely Dan's approval for example  would take some of the flames off of Metallica.. but that sure didn't happen.  Oh well... Bowie was a bust.. counted on at least ONE person bursting into flame and having their head explode.  Hopefully someone will humour me and do that when Fagen and Becker.. two hacks devoid of talent, vision, and completely unproggessive make their appearance here.  if that fails..  maybe the next Xover addition will hahhahahah.  We try to please people.. no one likes a dull forum.

Why is this forum making an effort to make its members upset by its additions?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: darkshade wrote: maybe the timing was a little bad. But hey Herbie Hancock is waaaaaayy more prog than Metallica could ever try to be   Please stop this comparisons:   Metallica's inclusion or not has no relation with Hancock Metallica would go at the most to Prog Related HH would go to Fusion IMO none of them shoud be here. Iván

hhaha this made me laugh. I keep doing that lol.  i agree with 3/4 of what you listed, though im impartial to Metallica even being added

Herbie Hancock is one of the most important modern Jazz pianists; apart from his work with Miles his early solo records are "progressive " in terms of composition and structure, his famous chord changes ( he had on the other hand always a lucky hand for crowd pleasers like 'Watermelon man', 'Cantaloupe island'  or later 'Rock It'

1970 : Mwandishi

1971 : Crossings 

1972 : Sextant 

1973 : Head Hunters

1974 : Thrust

1975 : Love Me By Name

1975 : Man-Child 

1975 : Flood, Live in Japan

1976 : Secrets

Edited by Alucard - August 21 2008 at 09:33

If Jonnas Hellborg has made the inclusion i do not see why not HH

http://www.last.fm/music/Jonas+Hellborg

http://www.last.fm/music/Herbie+Hancock

I'm not an expert on either of them ... but even if the tags at last.fm shed no light on the subject, the list of related artists is different for those two. For Hellborg at least Greg Howe is listed ...

Generally I'd say that currently PA has a very, very liberal policy on JF additions. I won't complain about it, since the same applies to Prog Metal and Art Rock (Crossover Prog), but maybe it would be a good idea to eventually split the genre:

- Prog Fusion
- Jazz-Fusion

I think that artists like Shawn Lane, Hellborg, Hancock or Miles Davis would fit in Jazz-Fusion (emphasis on Jazz), while many artists which are closer to the original prog movement (or specifically Canterbury) might go into Prog Fusion (emphasis on Prog/Rock).

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: darkshade wrote: I'm surprised there hasnt been more support on this site..    Could it be because this is Prog Archives and not Jazz Archives.   Iván

So? That's because Miles had a profilic career in jazz two decades before Mahavishnu Orchestra existed.

Rocktopus wrote: So? That's because Miles had a profilic career in jazz two decades before Mahavishnu Orchestra existed.

http://www.last.fm/music/Miles+Davis/Bitches+Brew/+tags

Still Jazz the biggest tag, with Experimental as number 2.


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - August 21 2008 at 13:25

Mike, I keep trying to tell you Miles Davis did many ROCK! albums. Read my review of Dark Magus, does that sound like jazz or even jazz fusion. Dark Magus is Psychedelic avant-garde proto-punk progressive hard rock. There are others, but Magus is probably his 'rockenest'.

Edited by Easy Money - August 21 2008 at 13:36

Rocktopus wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Rocktopus wrote: So? That's because Miles had a profilic career in jazz two decades before Mahavishnu Orchestra existed. http://www.last.fm/music/Miles+Davis/Bitches+Brew/+tags Still Jazz the biggest tag, with Experimental as number 2. I couldn't care less about the tags on Last FM. Even proto-punk is a bigger tag than jazz-fusion. Just proves that people are clueless. I could probably come up with a lot of progmetal included here with many bigger tags than progressive or prog. I don't think that last.fm tags are any proof for artist or album genres. They're merely an indication of public opinion. You can insult the general public all you want, but think about it ... do you really believe that it's mostly casual mainstream listeners who take the time to tag tracks of an album (set) like Bitches Brew? I don't think so ... it will mostly be fans of Miles Davis. I wouldn't have you to believe anything if you actually checked out the 15 or so Miles-albums that is the basis for his inclusion. Bitches Brew is the most influential and well known album, but not really the best argument for inclusion, stylistically speaking (although more than enough). Try Get up With it, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Dark Magus etc... there's plenty, and most of them double releases. You know, I actually agree. There may be Miles Davis albums which I would call Prog Fusion ... I'm downloading Dark Magus from Napster right now, while typing this post.