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MovingPictures07 
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 Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:04 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
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Well I'm a flawed genius with a crap IQ too. |
I avoid labelling myself with any sort of IQ or genius labels, because they don't really help in any way. When I approach anything that I want to accomplish I simply do it to the best of my abilities and with the highest amount of perserverance. I don't think there is any one qualification that can be measured by a test or anything similar that would make someone a "genius" and someone else not a genius. It's ridiculous sounding to me. Everyone's their own person. Every individual should be treated separately as a different individual, rather than lumped into a category or "equally". We're all different, so why should we be given the same exact treatment? Opportunity is another matter. |
Well indeed, take music for example.
Only 1 in 10000 have perfect pitch..... 0.01 per cent of the population.
But yet, how do you explain why in the field of music, so many people without that natural advantage are still geniuses and/or virtuosos?
Hardwork.
As I believe, even those without perfect pitch, and even just an IQ of maybe 105 or so can be a musical genius if they are willing to put in the hard yards.
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laplace
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practise makes perfect
overpractise makes dream theater
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Padraic
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:06 |
you guys are all idiots 
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:07 |
laplace wrote:
practise makes perfect
overpractise makes dream theater |
Haha, nice summary there.
I like Dream Theater too. 
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:07 |
NaturalScience wrote:
you guys are all idiots
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Good morning to you too, Pat.
Edited by MovingPictures07 - August 19 2008 at 10:08
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:08 |
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Indeed, I am one of those born without perfect pitch, but eventually I will be able to get around that problem with ear training and learning more about composition.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:08 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
James wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
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But I'd probably enjoy learning a foreign language... I want to be able to understand those Italian lyrics! The same applies for all those French/Belgian RIO bands I enjoy. Understanding what they're singing about will make my love of those bands even more. |
Then you should be able to do it. As long as the interest and motivation is there, you could accomplish anything with enough effort.
Now you just have to find the best materials for learning it on your own. Heck, even websites like the one you showed me are better than nothing. |
That's the problem with the Internet though... there's not enough Free material around. I've checked too... I found some YouTube videos that teach basic French but they're not professional ones.
Yeah, unfortunately. I prefer to use books for that reason... but I guess whatever you manage to dig up can help somehow. You can also find someone else who might be willing to teach you some basics.Me too... but as I said, I'd want to make sure I'd actually use it. The amount of half-read and unread books I have is ridiculous.  That includes really interesting novels as well.I want to minimise my book purchases to be fair. I have a French Dictionary somewhere that I used at School, so that will help a bit.
I don't blame you there. Dictionaries definitely help in translation, but it'd be harder than hell to learn just from that I'd imagine. Yep, hence why I need to focus on not just books. I took a test to determine my learning style and I kind of like all three... I'm least practical though. I'm a mix of Kinaesthetic and Visual.I just never have time to read... yet I enjoy reading. If I bought books, they'd just gather dust over time.
My problem is more of that I'm a somewhat picky reader. I love reading and I'll try anything, but if I'm going to purchase a book to read I want to know that I'm going to love it. At the moment, I've read nearly all of the books on my shelves.  You can borrow some of mine then, I have far too many unread books... including stuff you'd probably enjoy. |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:10 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Indeed, I am one of those born without perfect pitch, but eventually I will be able to get around that problem with ear training and learning more about composition. |
I'd like to hear some of your guitar work one of these days.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:12 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Times like this you want to be Itsy.
The dude has a massive IQ.
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Yeah, I know what you mean there... but I actually doubt the influence of IQ upon whether you become a good student or an attentive person. IQ hardly tells anything other than one's ability to take a certain test with certain questions and be able to decipher them in a quick enough time... I take it heavily with a grain of salt.
I don't think I have that high of an IQ at all, and most people I talk to would be extremely shocked, as I've gotten accusations of being a genius. I always tell them that I may not be the most naturally smart person, but it's a never-ending and extremely persistent thirst to learn that drove my interests the way they did in my childhood. |
Oddly, yes, I've had that experience too, where I've come across many people whom have believed I was a genius or something, or bordering on it, when really I must only have an IQ of no more or not much more than 110.
I mean, it's obvious that there is some correlation between a level of success one might achieve and IQ.
I think, at a certain level, say, I dunno, around 110 perhaps, sure you don't have all the brains in the world, but at least at that level of intelligence+hard work you could achieve more than an apathetic guy with an IQ of 160.
Whereas, I tend to think, once your intelligence is below a certain level, no amount of hard work can necessarily make you great at everything.
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Possibly. But even then, maybe there's an individual who simply can recognize hardly any of the patterns tested by IQ, but this person might be naturally drawn to something else that they're much more naturally fit for.
I believe everyone could do pretty much anything that one would want to with enough effort, interest, and motivation. How much effort it would take though depends on how naturally interested and fit for that occupation/position the person is and how much motivation the person has to get it. |
Well, when I did a IQ test/cognition test, it was found I have extreme deficits in visual spatial, which would have dragged down my overall score. But yet, my verbal/math/science was all above average, at least one to 2 years ahead of my chronological age at the time (14 years old when I did the test). I don't need to draw, I'm not into visual art, so my lack of visual spatial wont drag me down. I wont need that for music, so I guess despite that deficit, I was lucky to be above average in other areas that were more useful to me on a daily basis.
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YesFan72
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:12 |
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I have returned. The main reason why I created that IQ poll a few weeks ago is to see how accurate they really are. IQ is meaningless. The results of one test cannot measure intelligence.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:13 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Well indeed, take music for example.
Only 1 in 10000 have perfect pitch..... 0.01 per cent of the population.
But yet, how do you explain why in the field of music, so many people without that natural advantage are still geniuses and/or virtuosos?
Hardwork.
As I believe, even those without perfect pitch, and even just an IQ of maybe 105 or so can be a musical genius if they are willing to put in the hard yards.
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I don't have perfect pitch, although my mother has it. But I make up for it by relative pitch ... I can identify intervals and chord sequences quite well.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:13 |
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Read through the past few pages - I'm one of those people that believes it's not the size of your brain, it's what you do with it that counts. I believe I'm a pretty intelligent individual but I am hampered by unbelievable laziness.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:14 |
James wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
James wrote:
That's the problem with the Internet though... there's not enough Free material around. I've checked too... I found some YouTube videos that teach basic French but they're not professional ones.
Yeah, unfortunately. I prefer to use books for that reason... but I guess whatever you manage to dig up can help somehow. You can also find someone else who might be willing to teach you some basics.Me too... but as I said, I'd want to make sure I'd actually use it. The amount of half-read and unread books I have is ridiculous. That includes really interesting novels as well.
Haha, of course. I'd hate to leave a book that I purchased to no use.
I want to minimise my book purchases to be fair. I have a French Dictionary somewhere that I used at School, so that will help a bit.
I don't blame you there. Dictionaries definitely help in translation, but it'd be harder than hell to learn just from that I'd imagine.
Yep, hence why I need to focus on not just books. I took a test to determine my learning style and I kind of like all three... I'm least practical though. I'm a mix of Kinaesthetic and Visual.
That definitely helps. 
I just never have time to read... yet I enjoy reading. If I bought books, they'd just gather dust over time.
My problem is more of that I'm a somewhat picky reader. I love reading and I'll try anything, but if I'm going to purchase a book to read I want to know that I'm going to love it. At the moment, I've read nearly all of the books on my shelves. You can borrow some of mine then, I have far too many unread books... including stuff you'd probably enjoy.
Haha, thanks for the offer.
Are you going to ship them tomorrow morning? |
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Padraic
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:14 |
Hey Dahlia, I've got a recommendation for you that James can approve of - try Ahvak. They're an Israeli avant-prog band.  I'll let James wax poetic about how great they are.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:14 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Haha, I know what you mean there. Sometimes it's the easiest thing in the world to be your own biggest critic when you demand perfection, particularly in writing... but giving up won't help that at all. I've read a few of your reviews and they seem quite fine to me. With more time you'll be able to express your thoughts more clearly... maybe when writing you can take a break and then come back... or write all your thoughts down as quickly as you can and then come back and edit them or whatever. Again, methods will depend on the person here. I usually like doing all of my writing for something in one sitting if I can, so I keep the same train of thought. |
*snipped for brevity* Yes, I also tend to write in one sitting and if I stop, I find it almost impossible to come back to it at a later date. All of my poetry and short stories are pretty much all written there-and-then. I have unfinished short-stories too, that I cannot get my head round at the moment. I even have a half-written review that I need to finish. However, very few of my reviews I'm satisfied with. My favourite is probably my Soft Machine "Floating World Live" one. It's the perfect length and doesn't waffle as much as some of my others. I'm also my worse editor but luckily I have a few people who read through some of my work before I publish them.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:16 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Times like this you want to be Itsy.
The dude has a massive IQ.
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Yeah, I know what you mean there... but I actually doubt the influence of IQ upon whether you become a good student or an attentive person. IQ hardly tells anything other than one's ability to take a certain test with certain questions and be able to decipher them in a quick enough time... I take it heavily with a grain of salt.
I don't think I have that high of an IQ at all, and most people I talk to would be extremely shocked, as I've gotten accusations of being a genius. I always tell them that I may not be the most naturally smart person, but it's a never-ending and extremely persistent thirst to learn that drove my interests the way they did in my childhood. |
Oddly, yes, I've had that experience too, where I've come across many people whom have believed I was a genius or something, or bordering on it, when really I must only have an IQ of no more or not much more than 110.
I mean, it's obvious that there is some correlation between a level of success one might achieve and IQ.
I think, at a certain level, say, I dunno, around 110 perhaps, sure you don't have all the brains in the world, but at least at that level of intelligence+hard work you could achieve more than an apathetic guy with an IQ of 160.
Whereas, I tend to think, once your intelligence is below a certain level, no amount of hard work can necessarily make you great at everything.
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Possibly. But even then, maybe there's an individual who simply can recognize hardly any of the patterns tested by IQ, but this person might be naturally drawn to something else that they're much more naturally fit for.
I believe everyone could do pretty much anything that one would want to with enough effort, interest, and motivation. How much effort it would take though depends on how naturally interested and fit for that occupation/position the person is and how much motivation the person has to get it. |
Well, when I did a IQ test/cognition test, it was found I have extreme deficits in visual spatial, which would have dragged down my overall score. But yet, my verbal/math/science was all above average, at least one to 2 years ahead of my chronological age at the time (14 years old when I did the test).
I don't need to draw, I'm not into visual art, so my lack of visual spatial wont drag me down. I wont need that for music, so I guess despite that deficit, I was lucky to be above average in other areas that were more useful to me on a daily basis.
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I have never really taken an official IQ test. I haven't cared to. But with your reasoning, it sounds like you're in a good position.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:16 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Well indeed, take music for example.
Only 1 in 10000 have perfect pitch..... 0.01 per cent of the population.
But yet, how do you explain why in the field of music, so many people without that natural advantage are still geniuses and/or virtuosos?
Hardwork.
As I believe, even those without perfect pitch, and even just an IQ of maybe 105 or so can be a musical genius if they are willing to put in the hard yards.
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I don't have perfect pitch, although my mother has it. But I make up for it by relative pitch ... I can identify intervals and chord sequences quite well.
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Tag, Mike, wie geht's?
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:17 |
YesFan72 wrote:
I have returned. The main reason why I created that IQ poll a few weeks ago is to see how accurate they really are. IQ is meaningless. The results of one test cannot measure intelligence. |
I agree entirely.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:17 |
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Kohntarkosz is so incredibly awesome!
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 10:18 |
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