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Poll Question: which commercial bands would we like to disappear from the site ?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
1 [0.41%]
12 [4.90%]
48 [19.59%]
8 [3.27%]
2 [0.82%]
19 [7.76%]
1 [0.41%]
23 [9.39%]
3 [1.22%]
2 [0.82%]
1 [0.41%]
5 [2.04%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
14 [5.71%]
0 [0.00%]
25 [10.20%]
55 [22.45%]
2 [0.82%]
1 [0.41%]
3 [1.22%]
2 [0.82%]
2 [0.82%]
3 [1.22%]
13 [5.31%]
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    Posted: August 11 2008 at 04:20
Ever since I visit this website the only real flaw I can think of is the presence of a lot of (more or less) commercial bands and artists. Above you find 25 of them, I probably forgot quite some of them but I think these are the most significant ones.
Problem I have with them is the fact they are (or at least have been) commercial during a part of their carreer and their progressive grade is debatable. As most of us know one of the features of progressive music is that the bands/artists don't really care for commercial success, they just want to produce great music, a fact we all thank them for, don't we ?
I know Genesis, Yes and Pink Floyd also have been/are commercial but these great bands are so significant for progressive music that these are a different story.
I have to admit I have done some reviews of abovementioned bands but my statement doesn't mean I hate all the bands in this poll, I am even a fan of a few. But still it's my opinion they shouldn't be here.
 
Anyway my believe is that many of the above mentioned bands could be removed if I had to say anything about it. But I am curious if I'm the only one who feels like this and maybe it proves to be so that most of us really like their presence on Progarchives. In that case, please do response in a comment !!
If you don't want them around you can vote for as many bands if you like, even for all 25!
So, I'd say: have a go and give your opinion !
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Commercial or not, the fact is most of those bands (if not all - well, maybe not Radiohead) have produced great music (better that A LOT of full-blown prog bands), and did so before even thinking about making a few bucks - and while I agree that not all of them show elements of prog, I would classify a lot of them as Art-Rock. For the others, well, I guess that's why I have Prog-Related and Proto-Prog.



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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

You forgot Nightwish.
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Hold on, just because these bands aren't full-blown prog bands doesn't mean they aren't at least partially prog. I mean look In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida By Iron Butterfly, Abbey Road By The Beatles, Tommy By The Who. Those are all pretty much full-blown prog albums. And Also without albums like Sgt. Pepper or The Doors, we probably wouldn't have prog. So just because they're not prog, doesn't mean they didn't create prog for future artists (although, I'm with on Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden). 

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How can the appearance of a band you don't think is prog possibly mar your experience of the site?

Why is commercial success considered any sort of yardstick as to a band's progressiveness - apart from snobbish reasons?

Really, just really, how about we stop worrying about territory and start enjoying ourselves?

I don't have the slightest problem with a any of the bands I've heard on this site. Give me more! I want more!
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I agree with you that the prog content of most of the acts you mentioned is a matter of debate, but some of them have found their right place here because of their influence on prog bands (Beatles) or because their music can properly be called prog (Procol Harum, Mike Oldfield), despite their commercial success.

Anyway, I think it's an error to define a band as prog because of their (lack of) commercial success.

One can choose between a strictly dogmatic point of view on prog (in this case some of these bands may be discarded from PA) or go really out of bounds (in case we may welcome the Spice Girls, the Sugarhill Gang or some more trash metal bands which have noting to do with prog sooner or later).

I withhold my vote...

 
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See I wouldn't think of stirring up angst by constructing such a poll for starters many of those artists on this list deserve to be here on the site I think but my vote goes to ...  was a toss up between bowie and the doors and I went with Bowie  , though he's a class act the reasons I enjoy his material isn't prog related at all.  

How Mike Oldfield ended up on the list is a mystery to me ???  you are aware he really moved the  prog spirit forward back in his day ? Like a launching pad for those who never heard anything like it to explore deeper and start to develop that prog way of thinking.    


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Equalling prog-related & even crossover prog with "unwanted" gets Thumbs%20Down from me, with all due respect.

Try a better approach than "commercial music" for some of the band's real reason for being here as well.


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It shows just how muich the site has moved on since I joined over 3 years ago, when the 'en vogue' thing to do was to start a Styx bashing thread...and now they aren't even mentioned in your top 25...LOL
 
I think excellent points have been made in the posts above this one, so I shan't be voting.  All I can say is that the respective collabs of each genre put in a lot of work into this site, and discuss at great length the inclusion/ exclusion of certain bands, for the benefit of the site's integrity, so it would be churlish of me to make criticsms.
 
For sure, there are bands that I wouldn't have added personally if I'd been in charge (and you should all think yourself lucky that no-one's ever put me in charge of anything...LOL), on the other hand, there are bands that I would most certainly add, but them not being here doesn't detract from my overall enjoyment...Clap
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Sabbath 4 votes!!?? People have you heard Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage? pff...
And at least their debut and Paranoid have a lot of Prog influences, especially Heavy Prog, which Sabbath isn't considered.

Beatles? Huh? PROTO-Prog, don't you get it? How can you vote them?

Deep Purple? Book of Taliesyn, Shades, Deep Purple, Concerto, In Rock, Fireball..
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I don't see the point of this thread, really.Unhappy

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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Sabbath 4 votes!!?? People have you heard Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage? pff...
And at least their debut and Paranoid have a lot of Prog influences, especially Heavy Prog, which Sabbath isn't considered.

Beatles? Huh? PROTO-Prog, don't you get it? How can you vote them?

Deep Purple? Book of Taliesyn, Shades, Deep Purple, Concerto, In Rock, Fireball..
 
Agree especially about Sabbath. I cant believe Supertramp ended up here either as theyve made the best album ever done. COTC. Progressive and unbelievably superb. OK their later stuff was far more commercial like Genesis, Chicago.............  To vote in such an inane poll I would say The Doors as I think they are the most overrated but thats just me and me being vindictive
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Jefferson Airplane.............However did they get on the list also, just saw them
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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In my view all the artists on that list have some prog-oriented aspect to them somewhere that justify their presence here, even Rainbow, although they do seem to be pushing the envelope a bit.
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Santana has been losing contact with true music for years:jazz,Coltrane,flower power and kindness have
left him.Supernatural is a very bad album,moreover this guy keeps looking for praise quoting bands such
as Tinariwen(this is a very good band by the way)but he forgets to write good stuff(where are Caravanserai and Welcome?).Commercial bands were evoked(Queen for example)but if there were more commercial
bands like Led Zeppelin I would be happy.Black Sabbath has proggy elements thanks to Bill Ward's jazzy
drumming among others and some Maiden stuff is clearly prog(To tame a land or Rime of the ancient mariner).I hope someday  big music labels will be wise enough to recruit real bands and accept losing money.
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^^quite right...I think it's about time this thread was locked, before some smart-arse decides that Pink Floyd or Genesis shoudn't be here....Wacko
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