Church group to protest funeral

stonebeard wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: stonebeard wrote: do you want me to go put flowers on his grave when he dies? No, I never said anything like that. I was more or less asking that question, because you never really gave a solid position on it, other than calling me an asshole (and since we're tossing around fallacies like a philosopher Johnny Appleseed, ad hominem, sucka!)

I didn't say you have to mourn him. Just don't be an asshole.

He posted that pretty early, seems pretty clear to me (since he did at least previously define what he meant by being an asshole).

It seems everybody in this thread should read others' posts at least twice before responding to them.

Henry Plainview wrote: stonebeard wrote: do you want me to go put flowers on his grave when he dies? No, I never said anything like that.

I was more or less asking that question, because you never really gave a solid position on it, other than calling me an asshole (and since we're tossing around fallacies like a philosopher Johnny Appleseed, ad hominem, sucka!)

micky wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: micky wrote: politics and PA's.....  just like reality and prog purists.. .they don't mix..... micky, have I told you recently how much I love you? been thinking about ass have you

Stop it! We're already in the sh*t and we've gotta go on! Argue more, pansies!

GoldenSpiral wrote: Obviously Phelps is a douche, but the best option is to just ignore him.  Without media attention they are nothing.   It is not the place of the government to determine what can or cannot be said in a non-violent demonstration. Saying that people shouldn't be allowed to say they hate people is the same as making the argument that musicians shouldn't be allowed to be overly sexual in their music or say naughty words.  Either way it's censorship.   The bottom line is, as long as assholes get attention, they will continue to be assholes.  Passing laws against them is really a victory for their cause.

Absolutely perfect post.

Shh!! Quiet down you two... Mr Phelps might be listening....

Obviously Phelps is a douche, but the best option is to just ignore him.  Without media attention they are nothing.

NaturalScience wrote: I sort of don't get why you're offended by "secular humanist", T....which of those words wouldn't apply to your stated philosophies?

stonebeard wrote: Well, you're a douchebag. It's fun to throw around names isn't it? I find this honestly f**ked up. A guy goes around saying "Death to fags" and other truly hateful things, and what, do you want me to go put flowers on his grave when he dies? Since when must we honor someone's death regardless of what their deeds in life dictate their legacy should be.

In the interest of fairness, you're using a straw man argument, too.

I'm not very religious, so I don't see death as a very sacred thing. A guy dies. Big f**king deal. If they did truly honorable thing in life, let's commemorate his life. If he did despicable things in life, I may not drive down to wherever he's buried to piss on his grave, but I likely won't stay quiet about it.

I agree with this, though we differ on what not "stay[ing] quiet about it" means.

I support freedom of speech within reason

Who defines reason?  If history shows anything, the government is terrible at determing what constitutes reason.

and the kind of sh*t this guy does is beyond reason IMO, but since it's still going on, it's despicable.

I personally agree that it's despicable and a horrendous abuse of free speech, but I just don't see any way of closing the loophole without compromising all free speech.

I'm content to let him do this stuff if courts say it's constitutionally protected (though if I attended a funeral where it was immediately effecting me, I dunno if I could hold myself back) but that is not to say I would take a moment to smile and think the karma of the world is somewhat more aligned if I go on digg one morning and see that someone put a bullet in his head.

Personally, you should hold yourself back if only because your attacking him lends credence to his cause and makes him a victim.  Earns him sympathy.

Henry Plainview wrote: stonebeard wrote: I was glad when Jesse Helms slumped off this mortal coil, and I'll be pleased when Phelps does too. These people don't deserve reverence in life, nor in death.  Like this. You are an asshole. He may have been a bully and a bigot, but he was a senator, not a brutal dictator. Now this is the internet, so I don't really care, just letting you know.

Well, you're a douchebag. It's fun to throw around names isn't it?

I find this honestly f**ked up. A guy goes around saying "Death to fags" and other truly hateful things, and what, do you want me to go put flowers on his grave when he dies?

Since when must we honor someone's death regardless of what their deeds in life dictate their legacy should be. I'm not very religious, so I don't see death as a very sacred thing. A guy dies. Big f**king deal. If they did truly honorable thing in life, let's commemorate his life. If he did despicable things in life, I may not drive down to wherever he's buried to piss on his grave, but I likely won't stay quiet about it.

I support freedom of speech within reason, and the kind of sh*t this guy does is beyond reason IMO, but since it's still going on, it's despicable. I'm content to let him do this stuff if courts say it's constitutionally protected (though if I attended a funeral where it was immediately effecting me, I dunno if I could hold myself back) but that is not to say I would take a moment to smile and think the karma of the world is somewhat more aligned if I go on digg one morning and see that someone put a bullet in his head.