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Toaster Mantis 
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 Posted: August 02 2008 at 03:24 |
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Hawkwind were 'patchy' shall we say, but they need to be judged in the context of the music scene of the time, and what they represented. They were musical terrorists, playing with a punk spirit, years before punk became the phenomenon it did. But they combined this with the psychedelic and fantasy element to forge a sound and style that no one else was doing, to my knowledge. |
Yeah. I happen to like Hawkwind for the same reason that SouthSideOfTheSky dislikes them; their music is thematically rather complex yet aesthetically anything but formal. How many other bands can write songs about the Three Laws of Robotics without coming across as remotely nerdy? 
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Yorkie X
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 02 2008 at 03:38 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Hawkwind were 'patchy' shall we say, but they need to be judged in the context of the music scene of the time, and what they represented. They were musical terrorists, playing with a punk spirit, years before punk became the phenomenon it did. But they combined this with the psychedelic and fantasy element to forge a sound and style that no one else was doing, to my knowledge. |
Yeah. I happen to like Hawkwind for the same reason that SouthSideOfTheSky dislikes them; their music is thematically rather complex yet aesthetically anything but formal. How many other bands can write songs about the Three Laws of Robotics without coming across as remotely nerdy? |
Absolutely, and the work Calvert done with the band in the mid to late 70's is some of my favorite Hawkwind.
That BBC documentary was on last night on BBC 2. I didn't know that when I posted that Youtube link on the previous page. What a coincidence!
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 02 2008 at 16:12 |
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That BBC documentary was on last night on BBC 2. I didn't know that when I posted that Youtube link on the previous page. What a coincidence! |
I saw it earlier today and was somewhat surprised they chose to interview Nik instead of Dave. 
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Posted: August 03 2008 at 12:48 |
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Kansas. Ireally didn't like anything I heard from Hawkwind.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: August 03 2008 at 20:59 |
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Posted: August 03 2008 at 21:14 |
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Veering into the absurd here! Stacia is not Hawkwind ! In the 70s it was very "risque" . Today? Yawn.
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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febus
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Posted: August 03 2008 at 21:15 |
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SouthSideoftheSky
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 03:52 |
When I see a live show I want to see talented musicians playing their instruments. A good light/laser show may well enhance that experience but I never understood the idea of having dancers, fire eaters, jugglers, midgets, fireworks, outrageous costumes and make up, giant inflatable dragons, giant inflatable pigs, giant video screens showing art films, live size aero planes flying across the auditorium etc. etc.
If I want to see that type of thing I go to the circus.
To me it feels like the artist is trying to hide behind all the stage props; maybe to disguise something by using such theatrical devises? The fact that the artist in question lacks enough talent to be able to entertain the audience by himself? This is not always the case of course.
As far as I know, Kansas can really put on a show without having to use any such extra-musical stunts.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 09:22 |
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Ha HA one the best gigs i ever saw was HAWKWIND playing on a flat bed Truck in Laybye on the side of the Rd with very little equipment ,
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 09:30 |
SouthSideoftheSky wrote:
When I see a live show I want to see talented musicians playing their instruments. A good light/laser show may well enhance that experience but I never understood the idea of having dancers, fire eaters, jugglers, midgets, fireworks, outrageous costumes and make up, giant inflatable dragons, giant inflatable pigs, giant video screens showing art films, live size aero planes flying across the auditorium etc. etc.
If I want to see that type of thing I go to the circus.
To me it feels like the artist is trying to hide behind all the stage props; maybe to disguise something by using such theatrical devises? The fact that the artist in question lacks enough talent to be able to entertain the audience by himself? This is not always the case of course.
As far as I know, Kansas can really put on a show without having to use any such extra-musical stunts.
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ooohhhh.... see.... the rest of the rational world ..when they go to a concert they want to have a good time.. enjoy an experience.. and enjoy great music. If you want to see great musicians alone .. sit your ass on your hands and go see the Boston Pops.... this may be prog.. but is still ROCK AND ROLL brother hahhaha. Go see Hawkwind once... you'll see what I mean..
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Hawkwise
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 09:50 |
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yep the Hawks always put on a good show no matter where there playing , always found there Free festival appearance to be the best, shame those days are no Longer , I hope to be back home in the old country next summer hope there is a Hawkfest next year missed it this year, Also i wonder if the Hawkwind Name will carry on when MR Brock finally kicks his clogs
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febus
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 10:00 |
Hawkwise wrote:
yep the Hawks always put on a good show no matter where there playing , always found there Free festival appearance to be the best, shame those days are no Longer , I hope to be back home in the old country next summer hope there is a Hawkfest next year missed it this year, Also i wonder if the Hawkwind Name will carry on when MR Brock finally kicks his clogs |
I don't think so, Hawkwise---Brock IS Hawkwind!!! we just have to hope, his health and love of his band keeps him going, let say...10 more years.Would already be nice! 
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SouthSideoftheSky
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 10:08 |
micky wrote:
ooohhhh....
see.... the rest of the rational world ..when they go to a concert they want to have a good time.. enjoy an experience.. and enjoy great music. If you want to see great musicians alone .. sit your ass on your hands and go see the Boston Pops.... this may be prog.. but is still ROCK AND ROLL brother hahhaha. Go see Hawkwind once... you'll see what I mean..
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I have seen Hawkwind live, but only on DVD  I can’t afford going to a lot of live concerts, but I buy a lot of music DVDs. And almost all my favourite music DVDs are recorded and filmed at a small indoor arena or club with minimal theatrics. Take Yes’ excellent House Of Yes - Live at the House of Blues DVD or Steve Hackett’s excellent DVDs. Fantastic music, and focus on the musicians. That is what I want to see when I watch a live concert.
I don’t mind visual aids when they make sense. For example, I think that the pre-filmed material telling the story on The Who’s live performance of Quadrophenia works quite well. Also when the same band had Phil Collins and Elton John (among others) to play different characters on stage in their performance of Tommy. But I don’t like theatrical stuff for no good purpose.
For those who have seen Pink Floyd’s PULSE live DVD it was probably obvious that I was referring to that one in my last post (with giant video screens showing art films, inflatable pigs and aero planes flying across the auditorium). These theatrical things added nothing for me. Rather they took away from the musical experience. The poor band members looked so small and insignificant in that huge arena, with those mega large screens. The theatrics had taken control of the performers rather than the other way around. I much rather listen to the PULSE live DVD with the TV turned off. It is great music, but the visuals add nothing for me.
Also, such theatrical things often look cheesy after a time. While (some) music may be timeless, just look back into the 70's and 80’s and you will discover some really cheesy stage props that are far from timeless.
The inflatable dragon reference was to Rick Wakeman’s performance of Journey To the Centre Of the Earth (also on DVD). It probably looked horrible back then, but today it is even worse!!!
I don’t know Boston Pops. Are you referring to the band Boston? 
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febus
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 10:20 |
SouthSideoftheSky wrote:
micky wrote:
ooohhhh....
see.... the rest of the rational world ..when they go to a concert they want to have a good time.. enjoy an experience.. and enjoy great music. If you want to see great musicians alone .. sit your ass on your hands and go see the Boston Pops.... this may be prog.. but is still ROCK AND ROLL brother hahhaha. Go see Hawkwind once... you'll see what I mean..
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For those who have seen Pink Floyd’s PULSE live DVD it was probably obvious that I was referring to that one in my last post (with giant video screens showing art films, inflatable pigs and aero planes flying across the auditorium).
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The inflatable dragon reference was to Rick Wakeman’s performance of Journey To the Centre Of the Earth (also on DVD). It probably looked horrible back then, but today it is even worse!!!
I don’t know Boston Pops. Are you referring to the band Boston? |
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Hawkwise
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 10:59 |
febus wrote:
Hawkwise wrote:
yep the Hawks always put on a good show no matter where there playing , always found there Free festival appearance to be the best, shame those days are no Longer , I hope to be back home in the old country next summer hope there is a Hawkfest next year missed it this year, Also i wonder if the Hawkwind Name will carry on when MR Brock finally kicks his clogs |
I don't think so, Hawkwise---Brock IS Hawkwind!!! we just have to hope, his health and love of his band keeps him going, let say...10 more years.Would already be nice! |
Another 10 years few that would Make Brock what ? 77 years old , guess that can happen some of the old blues guys keep on keeping on so maybe shore would be good
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febus
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Posted: August 05 2008 at 22:54 |
Good, great news i should say for HAWKWIND fans.....all their albums from 1976 to 1997 will be re-released (that's quite a few CDs) within the next 18months, completely remastered and with bonus tracks.Can't wait for ELECTRIC TEPPEE !!!
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 06 2008 at 09:16 |
SouthSideoftheSky wrote:
I don’t mind visual aids when they make sense. For example, I think that the pre-filmed material telling the story on The Who’s live performance of Quadrophenia works quite well. Also when the same band had Phil Collins and Elton John (among others) to play different characters on stage in their performance of Tommy. But I don’t like theatrical stuff for no good purpose. |
With Hawkwind, however, the theatrical stuff does have a lot of purpose. The recent deluxe rerelease of Space Ritual has in its booklet a lot of notes about the considerations that went into the visual presentation on stage and all the stuff they went through to make sure it matched the music. 
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