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Henry Plainview 
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 Posted: July 29 2008 at 02:20 |
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indie music couldnt be what it is today without the internet. at least, i highly doubt it. |
I completely agree. But his point was that today's generation has a radically different attitude than others because they are infected by American Idol, and that's not true. Modern society is very different in many ways, sure, but people don't fundamentally change.
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Yorkie X
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 04:01 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I completely agree. But his point was that today's generation has a radically different attitude than others because they are infected by American Idol, and that's not true. Modern society is very different in many ways, sure, but people don't fundamentally change. |
you're absolutely right.. to assume because a TV show is hugely popular it infects the minds and tastes of the majority young people is absurd, presumptuous and a little insulting.. and all generations have their pablum for the masses and another thing, just watching a friggin TV show does not define you, for Chrissake
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 05:45 |
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I remember being into the prog mainstays (the usuals Yes, Genesis, ELP etc,) when I was a teen, about 10 years ago. No one knew of those bands, but thanks to the net I believe prog is increasing in popularity, take for example Magma, i'd say 90% of their fans have only discovered them in the last decade because of the net. I believe thats why bands have either reformed: such as Comus, VDGG, Magma or else have returned to their more proggy roots eg Steve Hackett, because through the net artists and music companies have realised there is a viable market for progressive rock. Think about it, how on earth did Mars Volta, and Coheed and Cambria get away with songs over 20 minutes, a few years earlier their labels would have tried to drop them, but they have gotten away with it because thanks to the net prog can spread without the filters of mass media blocking it, and labels and artists together have found out the size and popularity of the market. Also the negative stigma surrounding prog has eroded over the last few years.
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LeInsomniac
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 07:08 |
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Well, I only started to hear prog with my 19's (I'm 21) but I already know all sub genres of prog (at least I've dwelled into them and tried to get the albums form the best bands of each sub-genre so I could expand my mind) and whenever I have a discussion with my father (he's 50 and a Jazz musician) about that nowadays there's great prog and doing new stuff, he argues that it isnt. He says that in the seventies they made it all, and that nowadays its only a retro-renewal and that essentially its the same thing but with a new form.
He says that he cant hear it more, cause its the same. I tell him that he's being close minded and he tells me that he hears with the ear of a musician and I don't, and that I'm still amazed with all prog has to offer, while he's already been there. I show him Sleepytime Gorilla Museum or Mr.Bungle and he doesnt shiver (and says its too much agressive, I argue the contrary saying that although it might be more agressive, doesnt mean the artistic and complex form isnt there). He shows me John Coltrane, and I shut up.
Kids however in Portugal dont give a rat's ass for prog; yes there is a prog community here (with the Gouveia art-rock festival showing that) but its mainly for prog-metal fans who hear Opeth (I love them) Dream Theater (I respect them) PoS (I don't know them) Estradasphere (I kinda like them) and Tool and The Mars Volta (I love them) but they dont know groups like King Crimson or Gentle Giant, and dont know theyre importance for rock music in general.
Oh well...
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Nil Recurring
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 08:16 |
I'm 20 years old and I'm listening to prog (both classic and modern) for like 4 years now. And that's not only me but the bigger part of my friends are also listening to prog. The simpel mainstream music can't excist forever because eventually people get bored of it. We saw that with punk, metal, grunge and it wil evantually also be like that with hiphop, the kaiser chiefs-like rock and nowadays dance music. I think it's kind of a spiral and in the near future people will turn to prog again. Not bands like opeth or mesuggah but think of porcupine tree or the pineapple thief, bands that not truly prog, but are certainly progressive in nature. When I look at myself when I was 12 or something like this I was really into bands like linkin park or nirvana. But after a few years I was tired of hearing always the same structures in every song (though I still think nirvana kicks ass).So I wanted something more experimental and came across tool, king crimson etc. I see more and more teenagers are moving in this direction. Maybe we are the first of a new generation of real music lovers. And you also see that bands like porcupine tree or dream theater getting more and more known in the mainstream rock audiences. Pluss on the other side you also see that bands like korn and linkin park heading to a more 'proggy' sound altough it's still far away from the real thing of course. (for excemple korn recording an album with terry bozzio). I think we have to go to the lowest point musically speaking before we go back to higher levels again and we have to agree that now the level can't get anymore lower or else it will be just one tone with one word repeated for 2 minutes 
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Music is no entertainment.. music is art! thread it that way
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Darklord55
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 09:43 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Darklord55 wrote:
My kids are 15 and 18. Here's a short list of bands they like from the prog world. I'll let the list speak for itself.
Opeth
Flower Kings
Porcupine Tree
Eloy
Yes
Nektar
Ozric Tentacles
Pink Floyd
Hawkwind
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Pelican
Kingfisher Sky
Dream Theater
Symphony X
Pineapple Thief
Meshuggah
Radiohead
Black Bonzo
Wicked Minds
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Interesting, get them some Talisma. 
Possibly, Jonas Hellborg Art Metal, too.
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I've never heard Talisma so I gave them a listen. Sweet!  I'll have to get their music for me too. My son advised that I should have put Caravan on the short list. He loves "Golf Girl".  Thanks for the sugestions.
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hdfisch
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 10:13 |
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To be prog or not to be, that's not the question!
Sillyam Likesbeer
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 10:52 |
LeInsomniac wrote:
Kids however in Portugal dont give a rat's ass for prog; yes there is a prog community here (with the Gouveia art-rock festival showing that) but its mainly for prog-metal fans who hear Opeth (I love them) Dream Theater (I respect them) PoS (I don't know them) Estradasphere (I kinda like them) and Tool and The Mars Volta (I love them) but they dont know groups like King Crimson or Gentle Giant, and dont know theyre importance for rock music in general.
Oh well...
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This I think is rather sad, really, and one of the reasons I earlier in this thread was suspicious of the people getting into prog today because it's become "hip" again and how real their appreciation was. It just feels wrong to me that someone can like a genre of music without having some active interest in its history.
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Barla
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 11:28 |
Agree completely. Despite often in weekends I listen to music just to 'have fun', to go dancing, etc, the real thing is when I listen to music at my home (Prog, Hard Rock, Thrash Metal, Classic Rock, Fusion, etc, etc). 
But luckily I have five (FIVE!) friends who are into this kind of music (not counting all the other ones who are into Classic Rock, 60s, 70s music in general), of whom 3 were introduced by me to this wonderful musical world. 
Good for you, cacho!  When I was your age I was a mad Metallica fan (still these days, but not that much), the first band I ever bought a CD from (that CD is....... well..... St.Anger)! I think it's a good album though.
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AmericanKhatru
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 16:30 |
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Somebody brought this up, but I can't remember who it was. I think mainstream music today is going to burn itself out. I mean, how long can you listen to the same 5 chord progression and the eerily similar singers before you start to wonder "is there anything else out there?" One of the biggest factors in the long term success of prog (in my opinion) is the fact that the music evolves so much, even over the course of a single song, that it becomes virtually impossible to be repetitive. The sky's the limit to what you can do with it.
It also helps that critics pretty much ignore prog now as opposed to panning it everyday. And certainly the Internet and things like YouTube, MySpace etc. allow new artists to reach a fan base on an international level. This kind of unparalleled access is what's going to keep prog going and probably connect with the generations down the road.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 17:38 |
Darklord55 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Interesting, get them some Talisma.
Possibly, Jonas Hellborg Art Metal, too.
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I've never heard Talisma so I gave them a listen. Sweet! I'll have to get their music for me too. My son advised that I should have put Caravan on the short list. He loves "Golf Girl". Thanks for the sugestions. |
There's an Art Metal streaming track on this site, too! 'Twas the streaming Talisma on here that got me hooked. I gave it a try and had to pick my jaw off the floor. Should warn you that I found it a little hard to figure out how to order off the web site that sells them, may have just been me. Turning on people to new music and discovering new prog myself has been what's kept me into it since I was in my teens more than a few years ago. It really never gets old. Oddly enough I didn't get into Caravan until I saw them on tour in 2002 with Nektar.
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 29 2008 at 17:39
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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debrewguy
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 18:55 |
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I hate going to a Porcupine Tree show and having to jostle with all those 15-20 year olds. And if I ever get that 18 year old who bought the last Mars Volta T-shirt at Spin-It, I'll have more than a talk with him. OH, and by the way, who are these teenagers who think that Tool is prog ? Tool wasn't around in the 70s, eh.
God, why don't they listen to their own music.
Oh, and btw , judging the "vitality" of any musical genre simply by your peer group(s) can be severely skewed. If death metal was the music of choice in your circle of friends would that really be proof that death metal is the overwhelming choice of music fans; or would you rather check sales charts, concert draws and other such measures of "success" ?
When I was in my early 20s, Accept /Motorhead/Krokus and other hard rock acts were most of what we listened to in my 'Gang". Yet most of our other friends were into Foreigner (put something heavy on, man, like Foreigner . ????), Triumph and other chart dwellers.
I also listened to Gary Numan, Dire Straits, Paul Simon, the Georgia Satellites. And eventually got my "gang" into them also (Apart from Gary Numan)
Edited by debrewguy - July 29 2008 at 21:01
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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sircosick
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Posted: July 29 2008 at 20:28 |
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I rarely think that progheads today are mostly young people; nevertheless I live in a zone where prog isn't that well known as in Europe or in the USA; anyway, logic as it seems, youth are more exposed to genres where prog meets another more mainstream-related styles, like metal (Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation) or alternative rock (Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta). It has its pros and cons, but they are, for better or for worse, useful links to begin to understand what prog is (or was, if you wish). Of course I'm talking about a certain average.
Peace.
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The best you can is good enough...
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Luke. J
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 00:45 |
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Maybe not most prog fans are young people, but the young people use the internet more than the first two generations now do (the fans from 70's and 80's). Those young people just show it more, they attend concerts, sometimes wear shirts with symbols of their favourite bands, while the older ones just listen to the music. To be honest, I find it rare to see people above the age of 35 on concerts, beside it is a concert of a band that once was big and now does reunion tours (Led Zep anyone?)
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fire adept
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 04:06 |
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16 here and a huge Prog fan. I'm pretty much the only of my kind around my area, don't feel alone guys! lol
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rushfan4
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 09:47 |
Is anybody familiar with the "boy band" Mindwalk Blvd? They are a progressive rock trio from Massachusetts. Two of them are 16 and the drummer is age 12. They may be additional bearers of the prog torch.
Check them out if you haven't already.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 11:07 |
explodingjosh wrote:
Porcupine Tree, Tool, The Mars Volta, King Crimson, Meshuggah, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Mastodon, Opeth, Radiohead, Dream Theater, Between the Buried and Me, Behold...the Arctopus, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Oceansize, Sigur Ros, Kayo Dot, Three, Pelican, Isis, Devin Townsend, The Tangent, Ayreon, No-Man, Riverside, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
....My point is, Yes and Genesis may be dying a slow and painful death as of 2008, but prog is not. Progress or die!
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I`m46 and don`t consider any of these bands prog with the exception of early KC. I just read an article which included interviews with members of Tool and they didn`t really consider themselves prog.Same with Dream Theater same thing an interview with James Labrie appeared in the Montréal Gazette a couple of years ago just before on of their shows at Metropolis ( which I attended ). prog was a musical phenomenom/movement which died around `75 0r `76. Just last Summer I attended the Genesis concert at the Big O and they played roughly half in half new and old compositions and the younger people were baffled and after the show. I even heard some younger people commenting that they didn`recognize half the songs. So my point is that prog is dead as Elvis. Don`t get me wrong, I`m not knocking any of these bands but man they ain`t prog.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 11:11 |
Luke. J wrote:
Maybe not most prog fans are young people, but the young people use the internet more than the first two generations now do (the fans from 70's and 80's). Those young people just show it more, they attend concerts, sometimes wear shirts with symbols of their favourite bands, while the older ones just listen to the music. To be honest, I find it rare to see people above the age of 35 on concerts, beside it is a concert of a band that once was big and now does reunion tours (Led Zep anyone?) |
 You find it rare to see anyone above the age of 35 at concerts.  I guess you haven`t been to Montréal lately.
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 12:21 |
Darklord55 wrote:
My kids are 15 and 18. Here's a short list of bands they like from the prog world. I'll let the list speak for itself.
Opeth
Flower Kings
Porcupine Tree
Eloy
Yes
Nektar
Ozric Tentacles
Pink Floyd
Hawkwind
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Pelican
Kingfisher Sky
Dream Theater
Symphony X
Pineapple Thief
Meshuggah
Radiohead
Black Bonzo
Wicked Minds
Mellow Candle |
Very accurate list, I am also 15 and listen to most of those artists.
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