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Posted: July 12 2008 at 05:30

Hmm - try this link for the mp3; http://www.4shared.com/file/54746150/5c0effd4/test19f.html

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Posted: July 12 2008 at 04:28

The 64 bit drivers are in, nice Thumbs%20Up

I'm eagerly awaiting something good from you Mike Smile

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Posted: July 12 2008 at 04:11

Now that Line6 finally managed to release Vista 64bit drivers, I might even record something next weekend ... I'll also download some tunes and give some feedback. Smile

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Posted: July 12 2008 at 03:53

Come on people, am I seriously the only other person that is going to respond to Mark?

Thanks for uploading it to MP3, I'll download it soon and comment on it Thumbs%20Up

Honestly, the difference between a 320kbps mp3 and a Wave file is not enough to have any real negative impact on the listening experience, at least for me anyway, so I'm certainly not bothered by that.

EDIT: Very odd, can't find the mp3 version Confused

My download limit per month is only 2 gigabytes Ouch

, so you can see why downloading wav format is a problem.
By the time I would have downloaded not only your stuff, but other stuff I need, I wouldn't have enough download limit left to upload my own stuff to be listened to.

I clicked on the original link on the first post again, and mp3 file still not showing Confused

Try uploading it again if you can.

Edited by HughesJB4 - July 12 2008 at 03:58

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Posted: July 11 2008 at 09:04

OK, I've upped an mp3 into the same folder.

It's called 19f, because the song "Payback Time" is based on the 19th idea I had since I began the project, and the letter refers to the number of times I worked on it, so I can diary the track.

I rendered a wav - and you certainly can tell the difference between it and the 320k mp3, no problems - as easily as you can tell the difference between the 16-bit wav and the 24-bit ACID project it originates from.

6 downloads and no comments?

Whaddya think?

Catchy song or not?

Does it have the right kind of sound and feel for NWoBHM?

Check here for some classic NWoBHM albums;

http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/index.html

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Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:41

I'll sort out EQ'ing and stuff when I come to do the fine-tune stuff in the mix.

At the moment, I need to finish the drums, work on the intro and solos, and sort the vox out.

If the treble hurts your ears, turn it down on your computer - it sounds just fine through my Sennheisers.

Anyway - try streaming it instead of downloading it. There's a Play button on the download page.

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Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:36

Lol, You're not really going to notice the difference between a 320kbps or even a 256kbps or 224kbps MP3 file compared to a 1536kbps wav file anyway, unless you have extremely good speakers (which for my computer, I don't Tongue

), so I can't say I'm fussed about it not sound as good Tongue

Dial out as much presence and treble you possibly can before you start to lose clarity and good harmonics, so my guess is that about 25 per cent less which be good. A real JCM 800 doesn't even need the treble and presence all the up to get great harmonics anyway, too much and it's just painful ice pick tones.

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Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:22

Obviously wavs sound better...

Test1 was just a quick experiment to get a feel for the idea of the sort of sound and style - I used the "British Metal Rhythm" setting on the TonePort for rhythm, "British Metal" for the lead, and "Tom Sawyer" for the bass (and I've stuck to those sounds for all my other tracks, for consistency). Those guitar preset "tones" are both based around the JCM800 Model.

I also poured compression onto the tracks to maximise the volume, and LPF'd the guitars to give them space from the bass (both of which are modern techniques) which is why the guitars sound much too modern - the treble/presence comes from me not rolling anything off in EQ, so you get the lot.

"Payback Time" would have been Test 19c, if I hadn't renamed it - I still can't stop myself from going off and cranking out other stuff while I'm supposed to be focussed on this project.

I'll re-render and re-up it as mp3 - but I'm pretty sure you can just stream it from the 4shared link?

/edit: Just checked - 5 downloads now... and you can stream it straight into embedded Media Player.

I've actually worked on the vocals, mix and solo since I upped this... maybe I can understand why there are no comments

Edited by Certif1ed - July 10 2008 at 09:35

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Posted: July 10 2008 at 03:40

Oh, wait, it seems that would only be one file there.
I already have your first posted download on my computer, test1.wav.
Mix them down to Mp3 format first if you can, it will not only take up less space, but you can upload them faster and I will be able to download more of them and more easily too.

As for how Test1.wav sounded, not bad, but not great Tongue

Soloing was obviously kinda sloppy and the amount of treble/presence on the solo guitar track did admittedly have that quality that would make you want to turn it off if you were hungover Tongue

What amp model are you using for leads and what for rhythm?

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Posted: July 10 2008 at 03:35

Mark, unfortunately since my download limit per month is restricted to a measly 2 gigabytes before I get my connection speed cut back to 64bkps, I've been trying to conserve what I've got left to perhaps upload some of my recordings onto here.
if your files are individual, I might at the very least download one and listen to that.

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Posted: July 08 2008 at 02:30

3 downloads... comments?

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Posted: July 07 2008 at 10:10

If you want to be true to the spirit of the moment, and the atmosphere that kicked off the whole idea, then NWoBHM style is the way to go - I'm suggesting NWoBHM only until 28th July, which is the 3-month deadline, as I started this project on 28th April.

I guess as long as it's metal, and all your own work, you can post whatever you like though. Generally this forum is for sharing Prog Rock, so it'd be cool to hear loads of different metal ideas.

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Posted: July 07 2008 at 08:22

So. In confused, does this mean we can post stuff outside of NWOBHM in this thread given the title?

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Posted: July 07 2008 at 08:00

Since my original NWoBHM "War" thread is currently borked, I'm going to stick my updates in here, until it's fixed - and also the links to my demos.

Things are not going according to schedule - I think I've averaged 2-2.5 hours per week "in the studio", which is half my original budget - and even less recently, with work and family commitments eating into the little spare time I have.

So I'm going to commit myself to the three near-complete songs I have, and try to get some mixing done - although all desperately need decent solos, vocals and drums, intros and outros.

Hopefully I can mock something up through software, using copy and pastes and fadeouts for the endings, but the biggest issue at the moment is mix - all 3 are at wildly different volume levels, and I need to get around that without using a ton of compression, which is going to be time-consuming.

As a taster, I've provided a link below to "Payback Time", which I've slated as track #1;

The verse vox are pretty terrible - it was a case of vocalising the first thing that came into my head, even if it was "rhubarb, rhubarb", just to get a melody established - and, since I didn't know where the melody was going to go, there are many iffy notes.

I also had a quick go at injecting some vocal harmonies, and occasional "screams" (falsetto drawls!) which are even worse, but serve their prototyping purpose.

The solo is just bluff, and full of bum notes - I just wanted something to fill in the gaps, but couldn't come up with anything in the half hour I spent that matched the decorative ideas I had for the final chorus.

There are no drum fills - but I did manage to put a few changes in which are pretty convincing.

I think the bass is a bit too much in the verses - the riffs are too busy to warrant such Lemmy-style noodling, but that's an easy fix.

On the subject of bass, as it's not mixed, there's no rolloff of sub 80hz freqs - so I wouldn't advise playing this on a HiFi setup, as it might knock the woofers of their cones!

Anyway, here it is

http://www.4shared.com/account/file/53695125/87fb1be8/Payback_Time.html

...oh yeah - the password is still NWoBHM

Edited by Certif1ed - July 07 2008 at 08:27

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Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 12 2008 at 05:30
	Hmm - try this link for the mp3; http://www.4shared.com/file/54746150/5c0effd4/test19f.html
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Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: July 12 2008 at 04:28
	The 64 bit drivers are in, nice I'm eagerly awaiting something good from you Mike

MikeEnRegalia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21156	Posted: July 12 2008 at 04:11
	Now that Line6 finally managed to release Vista 64bit drivers, I might even record something next weekend ... I'll also download some tunes and give some feedback.
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Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: July 12 2008 at 03:53
	Come on people, am I seriously the only other person that is going to respond to Mark? Thanks for uploading it to MP3, I'll download it soon and comment on it Honestly, the difference between a 320kbps mp3 and a Wave file is not enough to have any real negative impact on the listening experience, at least for me anyway, so I'm certainly not bothered by that. EDIT: Very odd, can't find the mp3 version My download limit per month is only 2 gigabytes, so you can see why downloading wav format is a problem. By the time I would have downloaded not only your stuff, but other stuff I need, I wouldn't have enough download limit left to upload my own stuff to be listened to. I clicked on the original link on the first post again, and mp3 file still not showing Try uploading it again if you can. Edited by HughesJB4 - July 12 2008 at 03:58

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 11 2008 at 09:04
	OK, I've upped an mp3 into the same folder. It's called 19f, because the song "Payback Time" is based on the 19th idea I had since I began the project, and the letter refers to the number of times I worked on it, so I can diary the track. I rendered a wav - and you certainly can tell the difference between it and the 320k mp3, no problems - as easily as you can tell the difference between the 16-bit wav and the 24-bit ACID project it originates from. 6 downloads and no comments? Whaddya think? Catchy song or not? Does it have the right kind of sound and feel for NWoBHM? Check here for some classic NWoBHM albums; http://vibrationsofdoom.com/test/index.html
	The important thing is not to stop questioning.

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:41
	I'll sort out EQ'ing and stuff when I come to do the fine-tune stuff in the mix. At the moment, I need to finish the drums, work on the intro and solos, and sort the vox out. If the treble hurts your ears, turn it down on your computer - it sounds just fine through my Sennheisers. Anyway - try streaming it instead of downloading it. There's a Play button on the download page.
	The important thing is not to stop questioning.

Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:36
	Lol, You're not really going to notice the difference between a 320kbps or even a 256kbps or 224kbps MP3 file compared to a 1536kbps wav file anyway, unless you have extremely good speakers (which for my computer, I don't), so I can't say I'm fussed about it not sound as good Dial out as much presence and treble you possibly can before you start to lose clarity and good harmonics, so my guess is that about 25 per cent less which be good. A real JCM 800 doesn't even need the treble and presence all the up to get great harmonics anyway, too much and it's just painful ice pick tones.

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 10 2008 at 09:22
	Obviously wavs sound better... Test1 was just a quick experiment to get a feel for the idea of the sort of sound and style - I used the "British Metal Rhythm" setting on the TonePort for rhythm, "British Metal" for the lead, and "Tom Sawyer" for the bass (and I've stuck to those sounds for all my other tracks, for consistency). Those guitar preset "tones" are both based around the JCM800 Model. I also poured compression onto the tracks to maximise the volume, and LPF'd the guitars to give them space from the bass (both of which are modern techniques) which is why the guitars sound much too modern - the treble/presence comes from me not rolling anything off in EQ, so you get the lot. "Payback Time" would have been Test 19c, if I hadn't renamed it - I still can't stop myself from going off and cranking out other stuff while I'm supposed to be focussed on this project. I'll re-render and re-up it as mp3 - but I'm pretty sure you can just stream it from the 4shared link? /edit: Just checked - 5 downloads now... and you can stream it straight into embedded Media Player. I've actually worked on the vocals, mix and solo since I upped this... maybe I can understand why there are no comments Edited by Certif1ed - July 10 2008 at 09:35
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Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: July 10 2008 at 03:40
	Oh, wait, it seems that would only be one file there. I already have your first posted download on my computer, test1.wav. Mix them down to Mp3 format first if you can, it will not only take up less space, but you can upload them faster and I will be able to download more of them and more easily too. As for how Test1.wav sounded, not bad, but not great Soloing was obviously kinda sloppy and the amount of treble/presence on the solo guitar track did admittedly have that quality that would make you want to turn it off if you were hungover What amp model are you using for leads and what for rhythm?

Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: July 10 2008 at 03:35
	Mark, unfortunately since my download limit per month is restricted to a measly 2 gigabytes before I get my connection speed cut back to 64bkps, I've been trying to conserve what I've got left to perhaps upload some of my recordings onto here. if your files are individual, I might at the very least download one and listen to that.

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 08 2008 at 02:30
	3 downloads... comments?
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Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 07 2008 at 10:10
	If you want to be true to the spirit of the moment, and the atmosphere that kicked off the whole idea, then NWoBHM style is the way to go - I'm suggesting NWoBHM only until 28th July, which is the 3-month deadline, as I started this project on 28th April. I guess as long as it's metal, and all your own work, you can post whatever you like though. Generally this forum is for sharing Prog Rock, so it'd be cool to hear loads of different metal ideas.
	The important thing is not to stop questioning.

Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: July 07 2008 at 08:22
	So. In confused, does this mean we can post stuff outside of NWOBHM in this thread given the title?

Certif1ed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559	Posted: July 07 2008 at 08:00
	Since my original NWoBHM "War" thread is currently borked, I'm going to stick my updates in here, until it's fixed - and also the links to my demos. Things are not going according to schedule - I think I've averaged 2-2.5 hours per week "in the studio", which is half my original budget - and even less recently, with work and family commitments eating into the little spare time I have. So I'm going to commit myself to the three near-complete songs I have, and try to get some mixing done - although all desperately need decent solos, vocals and drums, intros and outros. Hopefully I can mock something up through software, using copy and pastes and fadeouts for the endings, but the biggest issue at the moment is mix - all 3 are at wildly different volume levels, and I need to get around that without using a ton of compression, which is going to be time-consuming. As a taster, I've provided a link below to "Payback Time", which I've slated as track #1; The verse vox are pretty terrible - it was a case of vocalising the first thing that came into my head, even if it was "rhubarb, rhubarb", just to get a melody established - and, since I didn't know where the melody was going to go, there are many iffy notes. I also had a quick go at injecting some vocal harmonies, and occasional "screams" (falsetto drawls!) which are even worse, but serve their prototyping purpose. The solo is just bluff, and full of bum notes - I just wanted something to fill in the gaps, but couldn't come up with anything in the half hour I spent that matched the decorative ideas I had for the final chorus. There are no drum fills - but I did manage to put a few changes in which are pretty convincing. I think the bass is a bit too much in the verses - the riffs are too busy to warrant such Lemmy-style noodling, but that's an easy fix. On the subject of bass, as it's not mixed, there's no rolloff of sub 80hz freqs - so I wouldn't advise playing this on a HiFi setup, as it might knock the woofers of their cones! Anyway, here it is http://www.4shared.com/account/file/53695125/87fb1be8/Payback_Time.html ...oh yeah - the password is still NWoBHM Edited by Certif1ed - July 07 2008 at 08:27
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