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Jabberwocky 
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 Posted: March 09 2008 at 16:42 |
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There was also an obscure Italian band Stormy Six... That was complexity for complexity's sake: Kobaian brass and strings, clear Henry Cow + Il Balletto di Bronze influences. Worth a try
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The only ****ing way out of here is through the rooftop (c) Dolph Lundgren
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popeyethecat
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 17:27 |
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Based on my experience so far, Meshuggah are definitely the most complex RHYTHMICALLY. I feel they have explored rhythm further than anyone else I have heard, but rhythm is just one aspect of music. I'm not sure who stands out in terms of other types of complexity. This is partly because my knowledge of music theory is not fantastic. If there is someone who somehow blends the rhythmic complexity of Meshuggah with melodic and harmonic complexity, then WOW. Please inform me if you know!
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Sacred 22
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 23:49 |
 magnus wrote:
In my eyes, Gentle Giant are(were) the most complex prog band |
Steve Howe said the same thing.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 06:09 |
Gentle Giant, Magma, Zappa, Crimson.
"Radio Gnome" Gong were no sluggards either.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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oracus
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 06:36 |
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As far as prog is concerned Hella is absolutely crazy complex. Listen to those insane drum patterns.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 11:13 |
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Van der Graaf Generator are a lot more complex than people usually realize. Some passages on "Pawn Hearts" (for example the "Maelstrom" part of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers") are about the most complex I have ever heard. A specialty of VdGG is to play a slow riff and a fast riff that appear in different parts of a song at the same time in another part of it. Examples: The End of "Man-Erg", the live version of "Pioneers over c" on "Vital", the end of "Scorched Earth".
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TempusFugit
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 21:16 |
PFM (Chocolate Kings is one of the most complex, intense prog albums of all time)
Gentle Giant
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BaldJean
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 21:34 |
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Gryphon were pretty complex too, by the way
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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metalisgood
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Posted: May 24 2008 at 22:30 |
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Unexpect probably...
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Demonoid
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Posted: May 27 2008 at 14:03 |
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VDGG
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PinkPangolin
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Posted: May 28 2008 at 18:50 |
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I don't think it's important to be complex to sound proggy. It just has to sound good.
Sometimes simple is beautiful - aren't Pink Floyd in this vein?
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*frinspar*
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Posted: May 28 2008 at 21:41 |
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GG for sure.
I'd add - from the fringes or weirdness:
Secret Chiefs 3 (Bungle offshoot)
Estradasphere/Don Salsa
Ruins
Fantomas
Pain of Salvation creates some dense and complex passages
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*frinspar*
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Posted: May 28 2008 at 21:44 |
PinkPangolin wrote:
I don't think it's important to be complex to sound proggy. It just has to sound good.
Sometimes simple is beautiful - aren't Pink Floyd in this vein?
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Very true. There can be magic in properly placed silence or simplicity, too.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: May 28 2008 at 22:37 |
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5 pages and no mention of the Flower Kings? I know their liberal use of melody generally keeps them from springing to mind, but anyone with any background in music theory can't argue the ridiculously awesome complexity TFK love to casually bring to the table... especially the Rainmaker album as a whole.
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jammun
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Posted: May 28 2008 at 23:52 |
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Probably Keith Jarrett on a good day.
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Drew
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Posted: May 29 2008 at 00:08 |
Man Overboard wrote:
5 pages and no mention of the Flower Kings? I know their liberal use of melody generally keeps them from springing to mind, but anyone with any background in music theory can't argue the ridiculously awesome complexity TFK love to casually bring to the table... especially the Rainmaker album as a whole.
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Cthulu
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Posted: May 29 2008 at 03:11 |
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Maybe the topic should be redefined as 'most...intricate'?!? Either way I'll say Gentle Giant and Happy the Man.
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"The Box. You opened it. We came."
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Demonoid
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 07:50 |
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Pain of salvation when it comes to prog. metal.
I don't know any dream theater album or any prog metal band as complex as them.(maybe Meshuggah in terms of rhythm as it might take quite a few listens to even get their whole style of music)
I'm not talking about instruments alone.
Rarely do you come across prog. bands expressing emotions the way they do!
In terms of prog. rock-VDGG as i said b4 and ill add ELP(I can never convince ppl to listen to them)
Edited by Demonoid - June 02 2008 at 08:12
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fusionfreak
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Posted: June 02 2008 at 11:05 |
Depeche Mode,Steve Strange,Frankie goes to Hollywood.....I'm just kidding.I would say Mahavishnu Orchestra,Magma,KC,Samla Mannas Manna,Gaa,Area,VDGG,Henry Cow.A point of view which doesn't
stand out.
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I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world
of searchers with the help from
crimson king
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Kurpij
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Posted: June 03 2008 at 00:00 |
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Yes, ELP, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Van der Graaf Generator.
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The most musically complex prog band(s)?
