lack of metal knowledge in some reviews

I'm sorry everyone, but here is the correct answer for this thread:

Expecting people to have and arbitrarily set level of knowledge decided by one person who sees a few reviews skewed toward to "prog" aspect of prog metal is stupid.

End of thread.

we can breathe now.. relax... and stop any insults...

The T wrote: we can breathe now.. relax... and stop any insults... It's clear that prog-metal rules anyway...

it rules indeed, no matter what some knucklehead says . . .

crimson87 wrote: Visitor13 wrote: crimson87 wrote: See...   King Crimson , they sound harder , more innovative and you can do Molok when you hear they last record.They do not need Cheesy covers or Over-the-top singers. Looks like someone here isn't familiar with KC's debut or their '80s period... ok, so no covers there - wait, no, there's that Holst thing on "In the Wake..." ....   But that´s no cheese man, thats art look at the colours.Besides , which vocalist do you refer?

Smells like cheese to me. Maybe not the smelliest cheese around, but still cheese. And I mean Lake and maybe Belew - I don't remember if I found his singing over-the-top, but cheesy it definitely could be, especially on Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair.

stonebeard wrote: I'm sorry everyone, but here is the correct answer for this thread: Expecting people to have and arbitrarily set level of knowledge decided by one person who sees a few reviews skewed toward to "prog" aspect of prog metal is stupid. End of thread.

crimson87 wrote: But when it comes to "overthetopness" , no one can beat LaBrie.Besides, How would you sing "Battlefield" ? It maybe the ultimate prog rock moment.   The problem is that prog metal forces it too much , it does not sound genuine.Today I Found out what prog-metal does not have, While I was listening to foxtrot I realized that I could sing the songs while smiling , I highly doubt that any prog metal song is as beutiful as "Time Table".Although symph prog is very technical , emotion is always first.Seems to be quite the opposite with prog metal.   Why is it labeled "Progressive metal" by the way?.This genre of music  always had the tendency to make long solos and feature gifted mucisians.I do not see that there is a huge difference between NWOBHM , European Power Metal and Prog Metal , probably the keyboards when compared to the first one and the (ocassional) use of another instrument.There was no need to invent the term , metal is kind of progressive in a way.The difference is not so huge as it is with Symphonic/Eclectic when compared to normal rock. Probably the prefix "prog" should be added to a genre that is known for no complex music like "Prog Hip-Hop" or whatever.

1st: you DO know that one of the reasons that punk came into being because 70's prog was over the top, didn't you?

2nd: and how could you sing any song of Magma on that crazy language?

3rd: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, some people find punk beautiful, or else such horrid thing would never be so profitable.

4th: Seriously man, do you put any effort into knowing and hearing prog metal enough before saying such  foolishness? Come on, there is a big difference between NWOBHM, European Power Metal and Prog Metal. Besides, there are lots of bands that don't use keyboards and are prog metal, such as Angra, Queensrÿche, Fates Warning (only started using it frequently from pleasant shades of gray onwards) , Sieges Even, Blind Guardian, Kamelot, Death, Atheist and a lot more.
If you really cared in making any solid statement you would, at least, know more than the shallow surface of prog metal and its clichés.

The T wrote: You're the man CCVP

However, in the end of the day, i don't know if crimson87 is just trolling us, and we are feeding the troll, or if he is really serious. Come on, say things using the common sense anyone can do and that is because it is the most flawed kind of human knowledge.

Because of that we invented philosophy and science, so we could study subjects better. Same thing here except we don't need to be scientists of philosophers (lol). We only need to search and acquire more knowledge than the common sense so we could make more solid statements and actually convince people of something instead of hammering the same senselessness over and over again.

^ I think that for these bands the difference lies in the depth of the compositions. It's mainly about chord progressions, rhythmic intricacies and lyrics/epic songwriting.

About Sonata Arctica: In my book they're prog-related. Their progressiveness varies a lot from album to album though ... for example, Unia contains much more prog elements than Winterheart's Guild.

CCVP wrote: crimson87 wrote: Man , you are terribly wrong , Blind Guardian Angra and Kamelot are PURE POWER METAL.What is in your opinion the difference between a Prog metal band and a Power Metal band?(And I am not talking about American Power Metal , Just European , that may lead to a confusion.   According to you , how would be Dragonforce and Sonata Artica labeled? Have you ever heard Holy Land and Temple of Shadows from Angra? Have you ever heard any Blind Guardian album, from Nightfall in Middle-Earth to A Twist in the Myth? And how can you say BG isn't prog metal? It was one a speed metal band, slowly evolved into power metal and than slowly evolved prog metal. Dragonforce is just pure w*nking, and that is enough for not being prog metal. I cant say anything about Sonata Arctica, cuz i dont know the band.

Edited by HughesJB4 - May 12 2008 at 08:39