Stratovarius

^ the depth of the compositions makes Symphony X more prog, among other criteria.

I am sympathetic towards including them as Prog Related ... however, this would indeed mean that we would have to include many more bands, also for example Metallica. Since this is probably not going to happen, I say that we maintain the strict police regarding metal based prog related bands.

bluesynight wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ the depth of the compositions makes Symphony X more prog, among other... criteria. I say that we maintain the strict police regarding metal based prog related bands. symph x is not more deep, its just more technically complicated. and didnt you told me that playing ability got nothing to do with being prog? by this site policy, startocvarius is considered as Modern Progressive Power Metal (American Style).

Ok ... you say that SyX compositions aren't more sophisticated than Stratovarius ... I say the contrary. Let's leave it at that.

bluesynight wrote: metallica?!? metallica dont have any prog elements, its as thrash as it can get! they define thrash.

The fact that it's thrash doesn't mean it can't be prog. And especially in the case of Metallica it really depends on the album ... at least IMHO there are many progressive moments to be found on Master of Puppets and And Justice For All.

Ok ... you say that SyX compositions aren't more sophisticated than Stratovarius ... I say the contrary. Let's leave it at that.

its not what i said, im a big fan of  SX.  they defiantly much more sophisticated then satverius. i just saying that in a way the idea is the same, just worst execution....its power metal with allot of classical influences.

as for metallica...

"and justice for all" had some interesting drumming, but prog? no.

 "master of papets".. you need to be more specific, becouse i dont see anything special(beside the fact that its a great thrash album).


ps
im not a satverius fan, but i do think that they deserve to be here.
 

Prog moments do not a prog band make. If we were to include Metallica for "prog moments", then I have a myriad of bands with similar prog moments that would make much of the population cringe!




Edited by Avantgardehead - April 14 2008 at 15:14

Avantgardehead wrote: Prog moments do not a prog band make. If we were to include Metallica for "prog moments", then I have a myriad of bands with similar prog moments that would make much of the population cringe!

like radiohead!

Stratovarius has some prog elements, but not really that much.. the structures of songs are rather typical, the technique is good but it's not the most important element (like in technical metal bands) and what we have is good, melodic power metal with keyboards and long songs. I love the band but my vote would be a resonant NO.

The T wrote: Stratovarius has some prog elements, but not really that much.. the structures of songs are rather typical, the technique is good but it's not the most important element (like in technical metal bands) and what we have is good, melodic power metal with keyboards and long songs. I love the band but my vote would be a resonant NO.   Anyone who says Stratovarius sounds just like Symphony X obviously hasn't heard much Symphony X, and that is a FACT, not an opinion. Opinion is "I like it, you don't". But you can't say, for example, that The Beatles sound just like The Rolling Stones and that is "your opinion" that it is that way... This is no matter of opinions.... Stratovarius doesn't sound at all like Symphony X, a band that plays true and authentic progressive power metal. As does Adagio and Pagan's Mind (which at times borders in classical progressive metal a la DT).

I'm too scared of the 'Metallica haz to be here zomg!' war flaring up for the umpteenth time, so again, I'm going to say we don't give Stratovarius inclusion into the archives. Prog Related at most, but still a no for that section.

Easy Livin wrote: The T wrote: Stratovarius has some prog elements, but not really that much.. the structures of songs are rather typical, the technique is good but it's not the most important element (like in technical metal bands) and what we have is good, melodic power metal with keyboards and long songs. I love the band but my vote would be a resonant NO.   Anyone who says Stratovarius sounds just like Symphony X obviously hasn't heard much Symphony X, and that is a FACT, not an opinion. Opinion is "I like it, you don't". But you can't say, for example, that The Beatles sound just like The Rolling Stones and that is "your opinion" that it is that way... This is no matter of opinions.... Stratovarius doesn't sound at all like Symphony X, a band that plays true and authentic progressive power metal. As does Adagio and Pagan's Mind (which at times borders in classical progressive metal a la DT).        Ah, the old my opinion is not an opinion it's a fact arguement. Not seen that one for a few days. Opinions are just that, opinions. If someone hears similarities between Symphony X and Stratovarius (or anyone else for that matter), they are quite entitled to say so.

Stratovarius is on a prog metal compilation I have, but I wouldn't say they are much more than not-exactly-the-same power metal.