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debrewguy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
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Yeah but the fun part is to Guess Who
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Well I am Tee O... Guess I have answered the Danish's question now...
![]() By the way, I own like 8 rap cds... even Gangsta rap for that matter... I don't go to rap to find extreme musicality... I just wanted to explore the social issues and then I realize I actually enjoy and a lot Dr. Dre's The Chronic...
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keiser willhelm ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
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what reputation?
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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TV on the Radio has some faint aspects of hip-hop (luckily without any rapping), but that's as far as I'll go...
I do enjoy trip-hop, though! |
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Can someone explain me what trip-hop is?
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Shakespeare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
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It's a branch of hip-hop employing mild minimalism and psychedelic elements to make it 'trippy'. I like the idea.
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Shakespeare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
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Do you know Dälek? They're avant-garde rap. I've heard so much about them (particularly from Folly) and I'm about to give them my first listen. I thought you might be interested, since you're avantgardehead. Edited by Shakespeare - April 19 2008 at 11:54 |
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Rivertree ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Band Submissions Joined: March 22 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 17649 |
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Yes it's trippy - that's characterized quite good - it's a blend of HIP-HOP (not RAP), PSYCHEDELIC and DUB and there are some goods acts like Massive Attack, Smith & Mighty, Fila Brazillia, Nightmares On Wax ... ![]() Edited by Rivertree - April 19 2008 at 12:01 |
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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I like it because it's trippy (hence the name!), experimental, and often uses female voices. That and rapping and ghetto lyrics are absent. >:D
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Trip-hop is more a branch of electronica than hi-hop.
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Shakespeare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
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That's true.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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This has no relation with the thread but I love the album in your avatar
![]() So trip hop is minimalist??? How more minimal can you get than one beat and one bass line per song!
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Avantgardehead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
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It's not really minimalist at all...
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MHDTV ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
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To Ivan: You keep going on about how Rap doesn't change samples, but that's just not true. Sure, there's plenty of older rap that does, but nowadays samples are very, very rare, and there's an equal amount of Rap that does use samples in inventive ways. Groups like Public Enemy often use more than one sample per song, and without exception the Bomb Squad adds in it's own production touches. They also have many songs devoid of samples like By The Time I Get To Arizona (Basically the best production ever). In Aesop Rock's No Splash the producer, Blockhead, uses multiple classical samples, an eerie female spoken word excerpt with a backbeat . Blockhead also composes his own sythesizer parts for most of Labor Days. I could sit here all day making a list of producers that do use samples in inventive ways, or come up with totally original beats, but you'll never like rap, so not much point is there? You don't like rap. Fine. But don't 'criticize what you can't understand'.
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Freak yo' swerve
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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i have a really good reason why i dont listen to rap or hip-hop
because FUNK is better |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Wow Public Enemy use more than one sample per song....What an achievement!!!!! They should be in the world ,musical hall of fame...PLEASE!!!!!!!
Incredible, addinng an eerie female voice to a sample...How incredible and original
![]() Amazing Blockhead composes most of his synth parts, isn't that what any song performer does?!!!! Anyway, call me the day he composes all.
(Sarcasm BTW) It's almost impossible not to understand Rap, it's musically simple and basic to the extreme, so I understand it(I don't claim to be an expert, don't care enough for that), what I can't understand is what people sees on it, which is different.
Criticize what I consider mediocre is one of my God given rights, and I won't resign to it, people here criticizes Genesis, ELP or Anglagard, why not Rap?
BTW: All the artists you mention are the exception to the rule, but still I consider the ones I know like Public Enemy, less than mediocre IMHO..
I can't find or will ever find the inventive vein in SAMPLING, this doesn't mean I can't understand it, I find it incredibly lack of originality in most of the cases.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 23 2008 at 01:21 |
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debrewguy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
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Ivan, Kid Rock has just served up the perfect example to support your arguement. His new single "All Summer Long" Is equal parts Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London", and Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" with Kid putting his own words over. Catchy mash-up of a tune, and meant as a tribute to the two acts, along with celebrating the sunny days of summer. I like it, bit just as I enjoyed P Diddy & J Page's Godzilla collab, this will not be something for the ages; i.e. ephemeral to the max.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Trademark ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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Here's an example of sampling that I wholeheartedly approve of in a somewhat different vein. (Of course that may be because it is my own work.
![]() This, thankfully, is not rap but the entire audio track is made up of samples (spoken word and music) that are subsequently cut, twisted, and otherwise manipulated in a wide variety of ways. Some will be immediately recognizable to members here, but I doubt strongly that even the most fanatical members could compile a complete list of the samples used in this A/V piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznaHTtAyL8 (part 2 is being uploaded as I type) This piece was presented at a national conference in October of 2006 and received a standing ovation from the audience of roughly 600. P.S.: Don't worry admins, all the requisite permissions from all the parties involved were requested and granted so long as the piece is presented in a "non-profit" format. Edited by Trademark - April 23 2008 at 22:56 |
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MHDTV ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 144 |
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Public Enemy also uses a horn section, a drum machine, various 'effects like sirens etc, synths and a whole lot of other things. Why does Blockhead need to compose them all? Sampling like he does requires just as much creativity as writing a 'real' song. I didn't literally mean understand, I mean you don't like rap. Fine. But that doesn't mean it's unoriginal or doesn't require talent. Every band I mention that goes against your generilizations you'll dismissed as mediocre or worse. I could name hundreds of rap artists that use samples inventively or make up their own beats, but you won't like any of them. You still haven't responded to half my post by the way. |
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