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horsewithteeth11 
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
 Posted: April 03 2008 at 17:43 |
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Sometimes I wonder why people even make this a debate. Oh well, I vote it stay as it is anyway.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65701 |
Posted: April 03 2008 at 17:46 |
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^ cause it's fun.. we need good debates, the Progmetal Pioneers thread looks like it might get good too
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darkshade
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
Posted: April 03 2008 at 17:49 |
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keep it as it is
however, the jazz-fusion section needs a bit of a make-over. and a damn bigger description than just a couple of sentences. not to mention the fact that the section is missing key players in the evolution of the genre (*cough* Miles Davis *cough* Larry Young *cough* etc... *cough*) |
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Dim
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: April 03 2008 at 18:19 |
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More subgenres, or at least keep the subgenres as they are, but when you click on the subgebre, thee are different catagories under that subgenre.
Like post rock...
Epic post rock- GYBE, JXlll
Guitar Driven-EITS, Mogwai
Math rock influenced- 65daysofstatic, Tera Melos
Experimental-Red Sparrows, Ulver
I've brought this idea up a couple of times, it barely ever gets recognized.
The way I see it is, with more subgenres, there are more bands with albums in the definative top twenty, therefore more bands being recognized, or lesser known ones getting exposure. Just my thinking process...
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tuxon
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Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
Posted: April 03 2008 at 21:52 |
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Personally I would like a more specific genre typing.
I think most neo prog will fit under the symph label. and some will fit better under either metal or other generic labels.
diversity within general labelling will be a cruel but good way to create more specific labels.
so for me its less labels, more sublabels.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Online Points: 20438 |
Posted: April 04 2008 at 04:56 |
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Haven't read the thread!!
My position:
Too many genres especially since the breakdown of Progmetal and Art Rock. I won't expand again on how I'm discouraged art this situation.
The only staisfying solution is the multi-genre belonging.
I can't see how hard that would so hard to implement.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Avantgardehead
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
Posted: April 04 2008 at 05:02 |
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Like I've always said, I'd love to see the genres deleted entirely and a tagging or grouping/similar artist function replacing it.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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meat puppet
Forum Newbie 
Joined: March 23 2008 Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Posted: April 05 2008 at 05:19 |
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I'm really struggling with these genres anyway. Having read the multitude of arguments as to what specifically is progressive music is one that I find impossible to answer. For the most part prog seems to consist of longer passages of music than most bands produce (I cant even decide what that would be), this puts all classical music into prog (which makes sense because many bands have pilfered famous composers work), the thing that differentiates rock from classical appears to be the use of a drumset throughout most of the performance.
So that puts bands such as Metallica and Iron Maiden as progressive rock  Its all down to personal interpretation and virtually eveyone will disagree. If you spent your life listening to a band like 'Yes' then you will base your views around bands that have a similar style. I hear elements of these bands in Janes Addiction and The Meat Puppets neither of which would be classified as prog on this forum (I can pick a track by JA that you would swear was Yes in their heyday and a track by the MP that sounds like Robert Fripp wrote it)I think its all just music really with our own personal stamp on it. Anything, everything and nothing is progressive. Sometimes you can be listening so intently for what you recognise that you miss the real progressions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_9INBPUX9U So, open it, forget the genres and describe the music in comparison to other bands. Edited by meat puppet - April 05 2008 at 05:23 |
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Jack-in-the-Green
Forum Groupie 
Joined: February 02 2008 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 40 |
Posted: April 05 2008 at 10:28 |
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...Reduce them
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Sorry if i have spelling mistakes, english is not my mother tongue.
http://www.last.fm/user/grumfossil |
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laplace
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
Posted: April 05 2008 at 12:07 |
Aargh. =) There comes a point where you're over-compartmentalizing (neato word) certain things and ignoring other progressive genres yet to have been documented here as a consequence. Please don't flesh out the post-x genre like this until it's really overflowing, OK? |
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Okocha
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Joined: July 13 2007 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 681 |
Posted: April 07 2008 at 11:47 |
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Keep it as it is
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darksideof
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Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
Posted: April 07 2008 at 12:07 |
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went I started listening to prog in the early 80's. KIng Crimson Pink Floyd, RUSH, kansas, Supertramp, Jethro Tull, ELP,YES, VDGG, Gente Giants, Vangelis, Kitaro, Tangerine Dream were called just progressive music.
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A B Negative
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: April 07 2008 at 13:04 |
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There should be two genres:
1. Good prog 2. Bad prog ... and I get to decide!  |
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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MusicalSalmacis
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 23 2007 Status: Offline Points: 213 |
Posted: April 07 2008 at 13:38 |
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What the world needs is really to ditch all genres, and just talk about the individual bands instead of trying to put different bands under the same label... Progressive Rock has a very big issue here because different prog rock bands are all very very very different, and this is not because of different subgenres really, it is more because "different" bands get lumped into the category that is "prog rock". However since this was not part of the poll, i'll go with "keep it as it is" because it is the safest way, and im assuming that those who work with this site are doing their job well. the number 1 option is a bit weird though, because i dont see how fans of prog metal, post rock, avant-garde etc would fare with their favorite bands being called prog rock lol.
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: April 07 2008 at 19:32 |
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If anything, the proliferation of genres )especially the metal spectrum( has been meant to help PA members in their search for music they might like or love. Having only one genre sounds great. But could you see if someone like Rocktopus was just starting here. And what if the first 10 reviews he read where mostly from bands like Death, Mastodon, and Barclay James Harvest. Could you see that he might not think much of "prog" as a genre ?
The Eclectic tag is not really an improvement over Art Rock. But Art Rock was just like the current Eclectic in the sense that many bands end up there because they don't really fit anywhere else. Heavy Prog is good one, as it really identifies an aspect of prog that isn't metal, but not mellow. And while Neo seems like a good fit for, or in some more negative comments, a piss poor offspring of Symphonic, there is still a certain stylistic similarity to justify its' existence. Whether you want to dismiss is as symphonic music based on 80s' rock, or declare it but a mere shadow of a copy of symphonic, whatever. It still does have its' own sound. If you want to make it simple, would you prefer to just have it divided up based on the main or lead instrument - mellotron prog, guitar , keyboard, hammond organ, bass & drum, violin etc ? Could you see how this could also be of little help to "searchers" in terms of serving as a guide to the different types of progressive music ? Just view the different genres as a guide, nothing more. Not the definitive description, not the last adjective for ever; just an aggregation of like sounding music that once you find one or a few bands that you like, you may want to check others in the same genre. Edited by debrewguy - April 07 2008 at 19:36 |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: April 07 2008 at 20:13 |
A comment on Miles Davis here - one of the top Jazz musicians, nay all musicians of all time. But it seems like every one wants to include him in their "club" a badge of their artistic worth. He's in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Why ? His Jazz Fusion albums. Yet, most of his career, most of his work is not jazz fusion. Most of his classics are not jazz fusion. Heck, even his so-called jazz fusion masterpieces have their share of dissidents within both the jazz world and the rock world (which these albums were supposed to be a link). Should we include Dave Burbeck, with his Time Out album, Blue Rondo with its', at that time, exotic time signatures. Also consider his being taught by Milhaud (classical music connection), and the piano style that included that background. But, Brubeck's not cool, Man . |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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