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When it fits the music. Metallica's One is a pretty good example.
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Yes, when it fits.
No-one has mentioned Billy Cobham with the Mahavishnu Orchestra, one of the early (& best) exponents.....but then I'm showing my age.......
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, that's your personal opinion, of course. For me the Peart video was less impressive. But to each their own.
As to having invalidated everything I said: Plain nonsense. Vander's hopping around is just an expression of his madness on stage. You just have to watch his face during drumming to see that he truly becomes a madman when he is drumming.
I find his mannerisms diminish his artistic value and what you describe as "madness" I would regard as affectation used to camouflage the fact that he is pompous and unoriginal as a soloist and an effete snob as an artist....Wink
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, that's your personal opinion, of course. For me the Peart video was less impressive. But to each their own.
As to having invalidated everything I said: Plain nonsense. Vander's hopping around is just an expression of his madness on stage. You just have to watch his face during drumming to see that he truly becomes a madman when he is drumming.
I find his mannerisms diminish his artistic value and what you describe as "madness" I would regard as affectation used to camouflage the fact that he is pompous and unoriginal as a soloist and an effete snob as an artist....Wink

All artists have their mannerisms; I haven't found an exception yet. It's a matter of which mannerisms one prefers. As to unoriginal: Look up the word in a dictionary.  Wink


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, that's your personal opinion, of course. For me the Peart video was less impressive. But to each their own.
As to having invalidated everything I said: Plain nonsense. Vander's hopping around is just an expression of his madness on stage. You just have to watch his face during drumming to see that he truly becomes a madman when he is drumming.
I find his mannerisms diminish his artistic value and what you describe as "madness" I would regard as affectation used to camouflage the fact that he is pompous and unoriginal as a soloist and an effete snob as an artist....Wink

All artists have their mannerisms; I haven't found an exception yet. It's a matter of which mannerisms one prefers. As to unoriginal: Look up the word in a dictionary.  Wink
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there are many drummers who play with only one bass-drum and sometimes they do it better than some who play with two. Anyway,  I am whith most of you! Thumbs%20Up

In Chile we have a very good band who play with 2 bass-guitarrs and 1 guitar and they are great!!
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

When it fits its fine, but I think it only fits in very very few situations. Examples I can think of off my head, Portnoy's double bass in "The Glass Prison" terrible, in "When The Water Breaks" fantastic.

Man I was gonna say how much I love the double bass drumming in A glass prison!!!Confused Well, a matter of taste I guess...

I like it, but when used (as Friede said) in an artictic way, or to make good "melodies" with it, but most of the times its not the case...sadly


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I find it tiresome when it becomes the routine, instead of the part when required. And just as playing faster & faster on a guitar gets to a point of irrelevancy, the same goes for double bass drum.
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let's face it: double bass-drumming is a gimmick, and like any gimmick using it again and again simply becomes ridiculous. since I am a keyboarder, let me use a keyboard equivalent as comparison. you can play a solo in a song using the "humorous duck quack" register, which is perfectly ok. but if you do that again and again in lots of different songs people will think you are nuts, and rightly so.
also I totally agree with Friede that it does not sound aggressive at all when the bass drum becomes a blur


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I used to listen to a lot of grindcore and loved Bolt Thrower's double-bassing. Don't think it would work for every musical style so I have to say i like it when it fits the music.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

let's face it: double bass-drumming is a gimmick, and like any gimmick using it again and again simply becomes ridiculous. since I am a keyboarder, let me use a keyboard equivalent as comparison. you can play a solo in a song using the "humorous duck quack" register, which is perfectly ok. but if you do that again and again in lots of different songs people will think you are nuts, and rightly so.
also I totally agree with Friede that it does not sound aggressive at all when the bass drum becomes a blur


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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

let's face it: double bass-drumming is a gimmick, and like any gimmick using it again and again simply becomes ridiculous. since I am a keyboarder, let me use a keyboard equivalent as comparison. you can play a solo in a song using the "humorous duck quack" register, which is perfectly ok. but if you do that again and again in lots of different songs people will think you are nuts, and rightly so.
also I totally agree with Friede that it does not sound aggressive at all when the bass drum becomes a blur


What prompted you to resurrect this thread?  Confused

I came across it while searching for something else, and since I had not uttered my 5 cent's worth in it yet I did


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I can't understand why using double-bass drums is just a gimmick... it CAN be integrated as part or actuyally as the MOVING ELEMENT in some music... have you ever heard Meshuggah? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it (it's noisy as hell and really violentTongue) but the dpouble bass drum is THE instrument, and believe me, the man has absolutely crazy feet and legs....it's AMAZING
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I can't understand why using double-bass drums is just a gimmick... it CAN be integrated as part or actuyally as the MOVING ELEMENT in some music... have you ever heard Meshuggah? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it (it's noisy as hell and really violentTongue) but the dpouble bass drum is THE instrument, and believe me, the man has absolutely crazy feet and legs....it's AMAZING

I have nothing against noisy, and I have heard Meshuggah. and no, I disagree. it is a gimmick still. they would fare much better without, IMHO


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Oh, I thought that when people referred to double pedalling they meant the constant variety that crops up in so much speed and power metal that the whole genre is ruined. ;P

I wouldn't have associated Meshuggah with double pedalling because the rhythms are always varied so that certain beats can be highlighted, something lost when you have a linear, regular kick.
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I like it when it helps accent what the guitar is doing rhythmically, and if used sparingly a good double bass roll can fit quite well

death metal is not a good example of this


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actually never mind I want to change my vote to double bass guitars 


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I can't understand why using double-bass drums is just a gimmick... it CAN be integrated as part or actuyally as the MOVING ELEMENT in some music... have you ever heard Meshuggah? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it (it's noisy as hell and really violentTongue) but the dpouble bass drum is THE instrument, and believe me, the man has absolutely crazy feet and legs....it's AMAZING

I have nothing against noisy, and I have heard Meshuggah. and no, I disagree. it is a gimmick still. they would fare much better without, IMHO


They wouldn't be Meshuggah without this type of drumming. It can hardly be a gimmick if it's an integral part of their style.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I can't understand why using double-bass drums is just a gimmick... it CAN be integrated as part or actuyally as the MOVING ELEMENT in some music... have you ever heard Meshuggah? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like it (it's noisy as hell and really violentTongue) but the dpouble bass drum is THE instrument, and believe me, the man has absolutely crazy feet and legs....it's AMAZING

I have nothing against noisy, and I have heard Meshuggah. and no, I disagree. it is a gimmick still. they would fare much better without, IMHO


They wouldn't be Meshuggah without this type of drumming. It can hardly be a gimmick if it's an integral part of their style.

a gimmick still remains a gimmick, no matter how often it is repeated. I am not against double bass drumming per se, but I am against it if it is used over and over again. I expect more ideas from a band than repeating the duck quack over and over again


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I am a bit of a sucker for double bassing. However i will have to agree that it is overused in metal. The two drummers which i think use the technique effectively are probably Danny Carey and Billy Cobham, and yet they only use them at necessary times, e.g. in Tool's "Aenima" or Mahavishnu's "One Word". Portnoy is also responsible for overusing the double bass pedals.
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