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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 06:45 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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debrewguy
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Posted: March 19 2008 at 12:23 |
For anyone who'se read or seen Obama's speech re : Rev Wright - do you think that in a non-partisan & realistic world that this would clinch the presidency ? It was refreshing to see controversy be addressed honestly rather than spun by PR flaks.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 19 2008 at 07:56 |
^ Spoilsport, conspiracy theories are fun. Then again sometimes conspiracy isn't really even needed.
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 19 2008 at 07:58
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Salvo_
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Posted: March 19 2008 at 06:46 |
No conspiracy theories please.
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Sacred 22
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Posted: March 19 2008 at 02:27 |
Clinton was picked along time ago for the job as head puppet.
Politics is nothing more than a show for the public. It matters not who is president for whomever is president takes his or her orders from a group of very well positioned very very rich corporate people who keep their power through strict adherence to maintaining "proper" blood lines (keeping it in the family). They are the Sheppard's and we are the sheep.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 18 2008 at 21:17 |
Slart - thought of you when I saw this...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 06:18 |
Is it just me or does McCain have jowls like the Family Guy character Quagmire? Hillary reminds me of Lois for some reason.
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Salvo_
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Posted: March 17 2008 at 02:06 |
Actually, Hillary unites the Republican party against her. They've gotten over Bill, more or less, but they still hate her. This primary cycle has shown me that much of that hatred is justified. I wasn't politically aware until after they were no longer relevant so I didn't really understand it, but damn her campaign has pulled a lot of crap. Her naked ambitition, complete shamelessness, and bullheaded stubbornness are frightening.
But, as I said before, unless she pulls some crap with the Supers (which I think is her plan) or this Wright thing really sinks Obama, she's unlikely to pull ahead.
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The T
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Posted: March 16 2008 at 23:44 |
I'm not an american so I qualify for this thread. I go for Barack Obama as I want a democrat to win and he has a far better shot at defeating Ancient Joe Mc than Hillary, as national polls show. i don't want another anti-immigration anti-government anti-taxes pro-war pro-intervention pro-church pro-"high morals' to win the presidency. Besides, Obama's inexperience is actually a plus. And he's a uniter as much as W has been a divider. Hillary, sadly, divides her own, but unites the republican party in a crusade against "sinful" Bill Clinton.
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Salvo_
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Posted: March 16 2008 at 22:34 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
The other debate is over whether the provision that the president has to be native born applies to John McCain, who is the son of American citizens but was born in Panama. Again this is really just an intellectual exercise, but makes for some mildly interesting speculation. |
The McCain thing is so dumb. Seriously, jus sanguinis and the 14th amendment.
The Bill thing doesn't really matter because Hillary's not going to get the nomination, and there is not a chance she would choose him. :P
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Seyo
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Posted: March 16 2008 at 16:45 |
Obama, because he is quite different from all previous presidents...
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Passionist
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 14:31 |
I very wary of going for either one of the big parties. Of course the democrats seem better than republicans because there's been a republican there now. People have very short political memory, what feels bad at the moment is so much more important than what has happened in the past. I'm not saying that i'd like bush. What I'm saying, is: I'd personally vote for someone who in fact, as you americans describe it, liberal, not a conservative as these both are. Two big money driven parties you see. i should think if you want to vote it's at least your responsibility to find out about all the candidates, not just the ones that are always on the headlines, because they are the ones who aere paying a lot of corrupt money to get the spot there. I'd go for someone completely outside of this donkey-elephant moneywasting battle.
Though as a realist I know in your great nation this will never happen. Well, not in the following 200 years if we're still alive on earth. So studying the topic, I was first pretty much behind Clinton, keeping it to myself. Probably because McCain is everything I've always fought against, and Hillary represents something new to the country, and to the world. But then I started thinking, Do I really assume having a woman there would change anything? Well, in fact the only refreshment there would be an ideological one between the women /men separation. Then, wouldn't it be better to strike two flies with one... you know. Barack Obama is younger. He's not related to a former president like all the others you've had for the past what, 20 years? And after B. Clintons cover up politics... And he's african-american. But lately I've been thinking about it. Am I letting emotional issues affect my opinion. Frankly, Obamas agenda is closer to that of McCain's.
It's undeniable, that should it be a democrat then later, it'll be a huge step along the lines of humanity for the USA, but for politics, well, the USA has always been a world police and will stay that way for long, and you can see it in the international law statement and well, in action too.
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 14:13 |
I don't care anymore. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 13:45 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Would Bill Hubby be legible for vice prez??? |
There's actually some debate about this. Strictly reading the Constitutional amendment which deals with presidential term limits, he would. However, there's also another amendment that states that people who don't meet the qualifications to be President can't run for Vice-President. It's really only an intellectual exercise, as practically it will never happen.
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The other debate is over whether the provision that the president has to be native born applies to John McCain, who is the son of American citizens but was born in Panama. Again this is really just an intellectual exercise, but makes for some mildly interesting speculation.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Padraic
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 13:30 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Would Bill Hubby be legible for vice prez??? |
There's actually some debate about this. Strictly reading the Constitutional amendment which deals with presidential term limits, he would. However, there's also another amendment that states that people who don't meet the qualifications to be President can't run for Vice-President. It's really only an intellectual exercise, as practically it will never happen.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 13:19 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
McCain - Chuck Norris (unless Charles Bronson is still alive)
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Good one!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 09:53 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Rather than start a fresh topic, anyone up for guessing vice pres picks for the remaining three top runners? Mine: Hillary - Wesley Clarke Obama - John Edwards McCain - I'm stumped, and really don't care...
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Hillary - Bill Obama - John Edwards (good choice actually) McCain - Chuck Norris (unless Charles Bronson is still alive)
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Would Bill Hubby be legible for vice prez???
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 07:43 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Rather than start a fresh topic, anyone up for guessing vice pres picks for the remaining three top runners? Mine: Hillary - Wesley Clarke Obama - John Edwards McCain - I'm stumped, and really don't care...
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Hillary - Bill Obama - John Edwards (good choice actually) McCain - Chuck Norris (unless Charles Bronson is still alive)
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 06 2008 at 06:47 |
Rather than start a fresh topic, anyone up for guessing vice pres picks for the remaining three top runners? Mine: Hillary - Wesley Clarke Obama - John Edwards McCain - I'm stumped, and really don't care...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Failcore
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 21:22 |
It needs to switch back and forth so neither army takes over the country.
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