No Offense, But Why...

i still recommend eminem. honestly dont know why i like it... its violent, distasteful, and very very angry but he has a style about him that sets him far apart from the rest of the pack and a lyrical content that apart from being discomforting is much different than the swarming masses of ring tone rappers and i appreciate that. i guess i like angry rap... Jedi Mind tricks anyone? 

MHDTV wrote: Floydian42 wrote: MHDTV wrote: Trademark wrote: The question has nothing to do with good or bad.  It had to do with what was (or is) Stale, Recycled Crap, and that is quite easy to determine through careful analysis but apparently you have no examples so... Ok... 1. Dream Theater-I don't think they're really horrendous, but I've never heard anything that was so totally cliched. 2. Radiohead-Certainly not crap, I love them, but they haven't made an original record since Ok Computer.     Taking (Albeit much better) a bunch of electronic concepts from Warp Records and adding a little melodic touch doesn't make you original. 3. Virtually all of Post-Rock- Does anybody really disagree with me here? 4. Symphony X-Same as DT. There are 4. I can come up with a hell of a lot more if you really want... Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah, umm... let's take for example Pyramid Song. How is that not innovative? Idioteque? That song was like... radically different from anything else they've ever done and was completely unique. And taking electronic music is one thing, using in a completely new fashion and making it works nearly flawlessly... thats pretty original right there. And let's break away from mass electronic stuffs, shall we? How about In Rainbows? That wasn't electronic at all... and yet... it was a completely new reinvention of themselves in a way that maintained there integrity and delivered something entirely different then anything else in the market. Radiohead pretty much is the single modern band that defines originality. They aren't my favorite, but they sure as hell are original. Warp Records. Just listen to Aphex Twin, Boards Of Canada, etc.

I listen to both and I've never heard them make anything like The National Anthem or How to Disappear Completely
there's a difference between taking an influence and ripping off
they're more doing a rock/electronic fusion
or should I say jazz fusion's just jazz that's completely and unoriginally ripping off rock

Actually, one of the founding fathers of Hip Hop is Kraftwerk (and the Krautrock scene). Yes the same scene that compelled you to include Post Rock as Prog (which it is not). You should hear Chuck D. talk about the connection and the inspiration of the Krautrock scene on early Hip Hop. The other major influence is Jazz and country music. The first major Rap artist was Bob Dylan, though like I said Rap was popular in country music, Jazz and Irish and Scottish folk music way before him. Rap (the sub-genre of Hip Hop) is not limited to Gangsta Rap, and is very broad and innovative. Much of the production techniques that Prog records now use come from Rap/Hip Hop records. Modern music production owes its life to the efforts of Hip Hop (production is half of he artistry for a fan of Hip Hop). And Hip Hop owes its life to Krautrock. I love old school Hip Hop, and it a lot more connected to Prog than a lot of genres on this site.

Atavachron wrote: The T wrote:   - Eminem is extremely talented..... And I'm actually Zappa returned from the death....     hey it's not my fault the man is gifted

Hey MHDTV, if you are still around, I think your heart is in the right place but most people joined this site because they like King Crimson or Yes or Mars Volta or Magma ... you get the point.

If you stick around I think you will find there are a lot of people on here who like hip-hop, and since progressive rock brought them here in the first place they are likely to appreciate the most progressive artists of the hip-hop genre, but expecting everyone who likes progressive rock to appreciate hip-hop is not realistic.

As far as new progressive rock goes, I'm not real impressed either, but I keep looking because if there is something great out there I don't want to miss out on it.

Anyway, keep digging Public Enemy. "Elvis was a hero to most but he never meant s**t to me"

Let's all stop the response to the attack or the bashing on the fallen guy or whatever this thread has turned into...It's clear that the thread starter had a good purpose in the beginning but fatally said incoherent things afterwards. It's been proven that the thread starter had no arguments to support his opinion on prog in the 00's and close-mindedness, but let's realize that mistakes can be done. A young mind can always improve and it's actually better if this happened when he's still young and can learn and not when he's 20+ and is just a hopeless idiotic stubborn troll.... Let it be....

Soulja Boy is hilarious. One of the greatest comedy albums of all time.

yeah Eminem is extraordinarily talented

On a final note, in the case of Radiohead, good songwriting doesn't make you original.

Floydian42 wrote: MHDTV wrote: Trademark wrote: The question has nothing to do with good or bad.  It had to do with what was (or is) Stale, Recycled Crap, and that is quite easy to determine through careful analysis but apparently you have no examples so... Ok... 1. Dream Theater-I don't think they're really horrendous, but I've never heard anything that was so totally cliched. 2. Radiohead-Certainly not crap, I love them, but they haven't made an original record since Ok Computer.     Taking (Albeit much better) a bunch of electronic concepts from Warp Records and adding a little melodic touch doesn't make you original. 3. Virtually all of Post-Rock- Does anybody really disagree with me here? 4. Symphony X-Same as DT. There are 4. I can come up with a hell of a lot more if you really want... Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah, umm... let's take for example Pyramid Song. How is that not innovative? Idioteque? That song was like... radically different from anything else they've ever done and was completely unique. And taking electronic music is one thing, using in a completely new fashion and making it works nearly flawlessly... thats pretty original right there. And let's break away from mass electronic stuffs, shall we? How about In Rainbows? That wasn't electronic at all... and yet... it was a completely new reinvention of themselves in a way that maintained there integrity and delivered something entirely different then anything else in the market. Radiohead pretty much is the single modern band that defines originality. They aren't my favorite, but they sure as hell are original.

Floydian, that was a clear and accurate post.