No Offense, But Why...

I JUST LISTED 6!!! here ill add some more.
Maudlin of  Well
Godspeed you! Black Emperor? they are f*cking pioneers
Don Caballero
Answer a question of ours for once and stop putting us on the defensive over issues you know nothing about. Where is your list ?  i  am really interested in seeing all of these stale bands. list away.

keiser willhelm wrote: I have a few responses. here ill list a few inovative bands from this genre that are clearly recylcing old ideas The Pax Cecilia *Shels Grayceron Kayo Dot Ulver Worlds End Grilfriend . . . Need I go on?

Edited by keiser willhelm - February 20 2008 at 00:20

Yeah MHDTV, I'd say Aphex Twin is way more progressive than the 4 examples you listed.

Edited by Easy Money - February 20 2008 at 00:02

Floydian42 wrote: MHDTV wrote: Trademark wrote: The question has nothing to do with good or bad.  It had to do with what was (or is) Stale, Recycled Crap, and that is quite easy to determine through careful analysis but apparently you have no examples so... Ok... 1. Dream Theater-I don't think they're really horrendous, but I've never heard anything that was so totally cliched. 2. Radiohead-Certainly not crap, I love them, but they haven't made an original record since Ok Computer.     Taking (Albeit much better) a bunch of electronic concepts from Warp Records and adding a little melodic touch doesn't make you original. 3. Virtually all of Post-Rock- Does anybody really disagree with me here? 4. Symphony X-Same as DT. There are 4. I can come up with a hell of a lot more if you really want... Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah, umm... let's take for example Pyramid Song. How is that not innovative? Idioteque? That song was like... radically different from anything else they've ever done and was completely unique. And taking electronic music is one thing, using in a completely new fashion and making it works nearly flawlessly... thats pretty original right there. And let's break away from mass electronic stuffs, shall we? How about In Rainbows? That wasn't electronic at all... and yet... it was a completely new reinvention of themselves in a way that maintained there integrity and delivered something entirely different then anything else in the market. Radiohead pretty much is the single modern band that defines originality. They aren't my favorite, but they sure as hell are original.

Warp Records. Just listen to Aphex Twin, Boards Of Canada, etc.

MHDTV wrote: Trademark wrote: The question has nothing to do with good or bad.  It had to do with what was (or is) Stale, Recycled Crap, and that is quite easy to determine through careful analysis but apparently you have no examples so... Ok... 1. Dream Theater-I don't think they're really horrendous, but I've never heard anything that was so totally cliched. 2. Radiohead-Certainly not crap, I love them, but they haven't made an original record since Ok Computer.     Taking (Albeit much better) a bunch of electronic concepts from Warp Records and adding a little melodic touch doesn't make you original. 3. Virtually all of Post-Rock- Does anybody really disagree with me here? 4. Symphony X-Same as DT. There are 4. I can come up with a hell of a lot more if you really want...

Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah, umm... let's take for example Pyramid Song. How is that not innovative? Idioteque? That song was like... radically different from anything else they've ever done and was completely unique. And taking electronic music is one thing, using in a completely new fashion and making it works nearly flawlessly... thats pretty original right there. And let's break away from mass electronic stuffs, shall we? How about In Rainbows? That wasn't electronic at all... and yet... it was a completely new reinvention of themselves in a way that maintained there integrity and delivered something entirely different then anything else in the market. Radiohead pretty much is the single modern band that defines originality. They aren't my favorite, but they sure as hell are original.

"I've got so much trouble on my mind, refuse to lose, here's your ticket now the drummer get wicked."

1. I'm not arguing this anymore. Call it a cop out, or whatever you want, but it's not going anywhere, it's derailing the thread, and there's no way to prove it either way. If you have a system to define good and bad music, please please enlighten me. Otherwise, this is pointless.
2. Most recently check out the 'Sympton of the universe' thread.

Trademark wrote: "Before any of you post read the whole thread. I've probably already said something in response to a reply almost identical to yours."You're a 13 year old child with the rhetorical skills of someone half your age.  You haven't responded to anything at all.  Several people have asked you valid questions about the specifics of your blanket generalizations on modern prog (which by the way constitutes well over half the music in the archives) and you have responded only by saying you've already responded, much like a 6 year old might do when caught peeing on the toilet paper.  "I didn't do it!!" he says with his wee wee hanging out.I have 3 degrees in music (1 undergraduate and 2 graduate degrees).  Please tell me what modern prog you've heard  and which of those artists that you feel is Recycled Stale Crap and which hip hop artists you want to make a comparison with and I will be happy to give you a detailed musical analysis of both so we can see who is Recycling, what is Stale, and which is Crap.

Given your high level of music education I am suprised your music reviews on this site contain no information at all.

Like a lot of people on this site I have undergraduate and graduate degrees in music as well as lots of real-time paid playing experience.

Your little boy peeing analogy was insulting and unecessary

Edited by Easy Money - February 19 2008 at 23:25

MHDTV wrote: I'm not interested in doing that. Why? I've heard a good deal of prog from the last few years, and I don't feel the need to justify why I dislike something, and I don't need to musically analyze something to tell if it sounds a bit too much like something else.

Cop out.

"Before any of you post read the whole thread. I've probably already said something in response to a reply almost identical to yours."

You're a 13 year old child with the rhetorical skills of someone half your age.  You haven't responded to anything at all.  Several people have asked you valid questions about the specifics of your blanket generalizations on modern prog (which by the way constitutes well over half the music in the archives) and you have responded only by saying you've already responded, much like a 6 year old might do when caught peeing on the toilet paper.  "I didn't do it!!" he says with his wee wee hanging out.

I have 3 degrees in music (1 undergraduate and 2 graduate degrees).  Please tell me what modern prog you've heard  and which of those artists that you feel is Recycled Stale Crap and which hip hop artists you want to make a comparison with and I will be happy to give you a detailed musical analysis of both so we can see who is Recycling, what is Stale, and which is Crap.

MHDTV wrote: I think a good deal of modern prog bands are recycled crap, and that prog has gone downhill in the past few years.

Once again, you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about. 2007 was one of the single greatest years in progressive rock history, with no less than 25 more than solid entries. It is quite possibly the best year for prog since 1972.

Before any of you post read the whole thread. I've probably already said something in response to a reply almost identical to yours.

Actually, if they read the whole thread they are likely to get incensed at your comments about modern prog. If they only read the first post and comment, they are more likely to actually discuss hip-hop.

This thread had real potential, but your steadfast devotion to an opinion that seems totally without foundation has derailed it.