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The Pessimist
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Topic: Prog Reviewers or Special Collaborators Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:17 |
How do I become a prog reviewer or above in rank? Please explain, thanks.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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rushfan4
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Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 12:43 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 16:59 |
Wow ! One thing I sort of uncomfortable is the "experts" title. I certainly don`t consider myself an expert by any stretch in anything. I`ve listened to a lot of music, sure. But so has the next guy. I`ll read any guy`s review. I also find the worst reviewers in general are the guys who write for NME, Rolling Stone, The WIre ( got to be the worst ). So for me I don`t think it really matters whether thhere`s that title underneath the Avatar. I think it`s important to give the most honest and entertaining evaluation as possible. My two cents.
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 17:17 |
kibble_alex wrote:
How do I become a prog reviewer or above in rank? Please explain, thanks.
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easy actually ...... wanna be a Prog Reviewer write good reviews Want to be more than that...reviews are not unnecessary..... necessary hahhaha. There have been several that got way up in 'rank' as you call it with like 5 or 10 reviews or less like in my case. I had none and was told to write them It is about showing you know prog.. and have an interest in getting involved in the site and working for the man so to speak. In short having an opinion.. sticking to it.... though being right or at least coherent helps as well. In all seriousness though... those kinds of posters are generally recognized by the admins or genre teams and then 'invited' to join as collaborators.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout
Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:36 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Wow ! One thing I sort of uncomfortable is the "experts" title. I certainly don`t consider myself an expert by any stretch in anything. I`ve listened to a lot of music, sure. But so has the next guy. I`ll read any guy`s review. I also find the worst reviewers in general are the guys who write for NME, Rolling Stone, The WIre ( got to be the worst ). So for me I don`t think it really matters whether thhere`s that title underneath the Avatar. I think it`s important to give the most honest and entertaining evaluation as possible. My two cents. |
The tag "Expert" is not as common as you would suppose - we only have two collaborators with that title.
We do have some 20+ "Specialists" which has a slightly different meaning - someone can specialise without necessarily being an expert.
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:39 |
exactly Dean.... put it this way...
there are those.. like Dick Heath.. who are 'experts'...
then us who are learning to be experts
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 18:41 |
darqDean wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Wow ! One thing I sort of uncomfortable is the "experts" title. I certainly don`t consider myself an expert by any stretch in anything. I`ve listened to a lot of music, sure. But so has the next guy. I`ll read any guy`s review. I also find the worst reviewers in general are the guys who write for NME, Rolling Stone, The WIre ( got to be the worst ). So for me I don`t think it really matters whether thhere`s that title underneath the Avatar. I think it`s important to give the most honest and entertaining evaluation as possible. My two cents. |
The tag "Expert" is not as common as you would suppose - we only have two collaborators with that title.
We do have some 20+ "Specialists" which has a slightly different meaning - someone can specialise without necessarily being an expert. |
should be 3
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Dean
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Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 19:02 |
kibble_alex wrote:
How do I become a prog reviewer or above in rank? Please explain, thanks. |
Of course a good start would be to learn how to spell Collaborators
/edit - thanks for correcting that
Edited by darqDean - February 16 2008 at 16:47
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micky
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 19:08 |
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Evans
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Posted: February 17 2008 at 16:30 |
I'm going to try and become the site's Pop/Indie Rock-specialist.
Seriously, though, is it totally necessary to write a biography for a band to become a prog reviewer? Have everybody done this who is one?
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 13:20 |
Evans wrote:
I'm going to try and become the site's Pop/Indie Rock-specialist.
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You'll have to fight me over the indie specialist title. Or we could be co-specialists, you know, whatever works.
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<font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR]
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laplace
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 13:26 |
*starts to crave the lauded j-pop and cabaret specialist title*
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Evans
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 13:55 |
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:04 |
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<font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR]
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 17:42 |
Then why are people who come to the site just to check out an album mislead by that section which says " experts / collaborators " It sort of implies that we have Phds or some professional qualification. I can`t see how anyone can be an " expert " in the field of reviewing just because they`ve listened to a zillion albums. I would think the term collaborator should be enough ( did I spell that correctly ). Or enthusiast could be another term which could be used. I would definitely consider myself an enthusiast since I`ve been listening to music since the mid 16th century. But.... I don`t make the rules.
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Evans
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:05 |
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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micky
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:19 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Then why are people who come to the site just to check out an album mislead by that section which says " experts / collaborators " It sort of implies that we have Phds or some professional qualification. I can`t see how anyone can be an " expert " in the field of reviewing just because they`ve listened to a zillion albums. |
ahhh.. you don't become an expert by listening... you do by learning....reading... studying... understanding.. not merely listening.
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Atkingani
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Joined: October 21 2005
Location: Terra Brasilis
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:46 |
You're welcome!
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Vibrationbaby
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Joined: February 13 2004
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:49 |
micky wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Then why are people who come to the site just to check out an album mislead by that section which says " experts / collaborators " It sort of implies that we have Phds or some professional qualification. I can`t see how anyone can be an " expert " in the field of reviewing just because they`ve listened to a zillion albums. |
ahhh.. you don't become an expert by listening... you do by learning....reading... studying... understanding.. not merely listening.
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So progrock is a scholarly thing. For me at best it`s entertaining and it stops at that. I don`t think many scholars would try and create a discipline out of it. For fun I got my wife to review Gentle Giant`s Octopus a while back ( Max put in my collaborator section and gave her credit you can check it out ) At the time she was working on her doctorate and after listening to it carefully she wrote an objective review. She takes art rock with a grain of salt and after I read her review I was kind of depressed because despite being superbly talented my favourite band I thought these guys had a better grip on the technical side. I think that we are all amatuers here, and don`t get me wrong, I mean it in a good way because there`s a difference between what a person trained in a discipline is going to percieve something and the way someone who just loves something from his/her heart. As I said, I just find the word "expert" being used here somewhat misleading. I got my freakin`old man to read some of my reviews and he got pissed at me for lying about being an expert on music ! So this is where I`m coming from.
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micky
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 16:57 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
micky wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Then why are people who come to the site just to check out an album mislead by that section which says " experts / collaborators " It sort of implies that we have Phds or some professional qualification. I can`t see how anyone can be an " expert " in the field of reviewing just because they`ve listened to a zillion albums. |
ahhh.. you don't become an expert by listening... you do by learning....reading... studying... understanding.. not merely listening.
| So progrock is a scholarly thing. For me at best it`s entertaining and it stops at that. I don`t think many scholars would try and create a discipline out of it. For fun I got my wife to review Gentle Giant`s Octopus a while back ( Max put in my collaborator section and gave her credit you can check it out ) At the time she was working on her doctorate and after listening to it carefully she wrote an objective review. She takes art rock with a grain of salt and after I read her review I was kind of depressed because despite being superbly talented my favourite band I thought these guys had a better grip on the technical side. I think that we are all amatuers here, and don`t get me wrong, I mean it in a good way because there`s a difference between what a person trained in a discipline is going to percieve something and the way someone who just loves something from his/her heart. As I said, I just find the word "expert" being used here somewhat misleading. I got my freakin`old man to read some of my reviews and he got pissed at me for lying about being an expert on music ! So this is where I`m coming from.
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I'll check that review out.. prog rock is not necessarily a scholarly thing.. of course not. However as we like to say in the genre teams.. none of us are experts... we merely strive to be. Not just knowing the albums.. the music. Any dork with musical education can break the music down and put people to sleep with technical explanation about the inherent complexities of the music. In my line of thinking.. 'experts'.. as it relates to here....are those who look, know and understand the background to which the music was made. The history of their particular field if you will. Who just don't listen.. but understand the music. Not sure if I'm making any sense.. but that is par for the course ..of course hahha. Of those 'experts' .. in my mind..... we probably have very few. Only a handful on this site come immediately to mind. We do have a lot of people here... that strive not just to collect albums.. but understand the context in which those albums are made... that is what separates the experts and those who strive to be, from those who meerly listen to albums. Not that there is anything wrong with just getting your rocks off just listening to music.
Edited by micky - February 19 2008 at 16:57
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