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Proletariat 
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 Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:54 |
 puma wrote:
The thing about indie fans liking VdGG is totally true, and it's absolutely shocking. Not that I know anything about indie, or want to, but all my indie friends at school end up really liking VdGG, I don't know why.
For some reason Yes is much harder for them to get into, which is funny because they're so much more commercially accessible (which really tells you something about both Yes AND VdGG!)
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You have to know what draws them, indie fans like lyrics, VDGG has that, Yes really dosn't
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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explodingjosh
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 21:54 |
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Just give them Larks' Tongues in Apsic, Meshuggah's I, and wish them the best of luck.
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 22:07 |
I once actually purchased a 10 disc prog starter kit for a budding progger, this was in the late 80s.I remember it like yesterday.
1- Wakeman- 6 wives of Henry VIII (classical connection)
2- Weather Report- Sweetnighter (jazz connection)
3- ELO- On the Third Day (Beatles-Classical connection)
4- Tangerine Dream- Encore Live (electro)
5- The Strawbs- Hero & Heroine (prog-folk)
6- KC- In the Court (???)
7- Gryphon- Red Queen to Gryphon 3 (easier than Giant)
8- Ange- Au Dela du Delire (french style)
9- Le Orme- Felona e Sorona (italian)
10- Mothers of Invention- Overnite Sensation (overall weirdness)
He liked all of it except the T Dream ( sleep music , he called it!!!)
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rileydog22
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 22:20 |
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I think that a soothing combo of John Zorn, Magma, and Captain Beefheart should do the trick.
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SilverSean
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 22:29 |
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DT converted me. I had a friend who was a big Metallica fan, so I lent him Scenes From a Memory. It worked. Another friend was more mainstream pop/rock, so I slowly fed him Supertramp, Styx, and small doses of Rush. Now he has more Pink Floyd albums than I do :(
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Hold on to the Dream...
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Prince_Rupert
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Posted: January 24 2008 at 00:33 |
King Crimson does the trick!
but it depends on their current tastes in music
perhaps Hella
or
Time of Orchids
would be good
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Draith
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Posted: January 24 2008 at 01:06 |
explodingjosh wrote:
Just give them Larks' Tongues in Apsic, Meshuggah's I, and wish them the best of luck.
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Kim Ankara
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Posted: January 24 2008 at 03:12 |
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I was introduced to Gentle Giant through "Playing the Game" and that worked well.
A friend of mine (keyboard/piano player) got into prog through "Fragile" and "Best of ELP".
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"I'm a dinosaur" - Adrian Belew
"I am a camera" - Trevor Horn
"I am yourself" - Keith Emerson
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Lofcaudio
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Posted: January 24 2008 at 14:41 |
Hmmm, I agree that you shouldn't start with the classics, nor even the best albums from some of the major bands. Here is the type of starter kit that would have worked well for me:
Spock's Beard (Spock's Beard)
The Power to Believe (King Crimson)
Animals (Pink Floyd)
Remedy Lane (Pain of Salvation)
A Time of Day (Anekdoten)
Images and Words or Awake (Dream Theater)
Leftoverture (Kansas)
Permanent Waves (Rush)
Crime of the Century (Supertramp)
Deadwing (Porcupine Tree)
I would think that would hook any non-progger.
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crimson87
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Posted: January 27 2008 at 16:05 |
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Probably I ll start with CTTE and Tresspass when it comes to symphonic The floyd and rush doses come then ,Some mahavshni orchestra in jazz and ITCOCK AND H to HE after . At the end some bitches brew
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Philip
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Posted: January 27 2008 at 17:39 |
The first progressive band I listened to was Pink Floyd, and almost all of their discography. I just discovered more prog rock a relatively short time ago (less than a year), through other person (one of my teachers), because in terms of progressive I just knew Pink Floyd. All of the other "giants" came in, along with many other prog rock bands, but I had an advantage i think, since I already "knew what I liked"  (Genesis), at least I think I knew, as I really liked everything of what was shown to me almost instantly. I thought immediately: this is the music I needed and I was looking for.
I think they are a really good band to start with. Recently, a strange thing happened: I "converted" a friend to Progressive through, (just imagine), "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway"!!! This was the exception that confirms the rule, and it was due to the preferences to elaborated, interesting, and very creative and imaginative stories, once I told a little resume of the story, that instantly caught her mind, imagination and interest to a beautiful concept, before showing the album itself, and Peter Gabriel's version of the thing. The like to such story made my friend like the album. The next step was " The Snow Goose" by Camel, as it is a relaxing album very good to study (sugestion of my teacher). This less typical introduction to prog rock will continue with Yes( the next step) and Pink Floyd, but now it's easier. I think that anyone who likes "The Lamb..." will like other Prog Rock.
Edited by Philip - January 30 2008 at 15:00
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AresolKid
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Posted: January 27 2008 at 19:50 |
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If there is a way to convert a non-progger, I'd like to know. Maybe it is that my friends don't have the patience. I get so much sh*t from them for liking prog. When riding in a car, I am barred from choosing any of the music.
As for me, I think the planets were aligned when I got into prog. I started with Phil Collins Genesis, then bought Selling England by the Pound. When I first listened to it, I had no idea who Peter Gabriel was, and thought Phil Collins changed his sound. After getting over my idiocy, I fell in love with all of Genesis, I moved on to Rush, Yes, and ELP. And, for me at least, it was a slippery slope from there.
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Dim
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Posted: January 27 2008 at 21:16 |
kibble_alex wrote:
i got started on Yes, Roundabout if that helps. Thats also probably because i was completely into classic rock like zeppelin and deep pruple.
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Agree completely.
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: January 27 2008 at 23:47 |
puma wrote:
The thing about indie fans liking VdGG is totally true, and it's absolutely shocking. Not that I know anything about indie, or want to, but all my indie friends at school end up really liking VdGG, I don't know why.
For some reason Yes is much harder for them to get into, which is funny because they're so much more commercially accessible (which really tells you something about both Yes AND VdGG!)
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This isn't necessarily true. I'm also on an indie forum and you'd be surprised with how many listen to the big names of prog. Red and ItCotCK are revered, even CttE, TaaB, the Lamb... all of the big releases by the big bands but in addition Can is adored. Actually all of Kraut. Speaking from experience, it's not too difficult to get an indie fan in to prog to some degree. They may not be clamoring over DT, but most would seem to enjoy the more melodic bands. (Yes, even early GG)
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Tarkus31
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Posted: January 27 2008 at 23:54 |
Well, it turns out I was listening to almost all the bands in the proto-prog department, and the transisiton from there was just really natural. So if they are really big classic rock fans, slip them The Who, Black Sabbath, later Beatle albums, Rush, Uriah Heep, etc.
I can say for certain though, DO NOT GIVE THEM ANYTHING BY KING CRIMSON until they have had a taste of more accessable stuff. I love KC, but if I just put on Larks or something similar, I would have been freaked out. Like when I first started to listen to KC, I had In The Court, so I bought a two disc live album from the Wetton era, and it seriously turned me off for a long time. Then I got most of the Wetton era albums and liked them. (I havent attempted anything after the Wetton era)
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~~~Brian~~~
"And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night."
-Graeme Edge
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Blacksword
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Posted: January 28 2008 at 05:26 |
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Most people I know either like Indie rock, or electronic music. I've had surprisingly positive reactions to VDGG, Porcupine Tree and even TMV.
Bands like Genesis and Yes seem universally hated among non proggers, although I've had moderately good respones to some Tull.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: January 28 2008 at 09:22 |
Depends on what style(s) of prog that person want to get into!
A few examples:
("Soft" Classic prog)
Yes - Close to The Edge
Genesis - Foxtrot
King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Focus - Hamburger Concerto
(More hard-edged Classic prog)
Eloy - Inside
Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant
Van Der Generator - H to He, who am the Only One
King Crimson - Larks Tongues in Aspic
(Jazz-ish prog & A Bit Avant)
Soft Machine - Fourth
Hatfield and the North - The Rotters Club
Quiet Sun - Mainstream
Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo
Samla Mammas Manna - Måltid
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Abstrakt
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Posted: January 28 2008 at 09:25 |
And one for my personal Taste:
Eloy - Dawn
Van Der Graaf Generator - Godbluff
Soft Machine - Third
Frank Zappa - Absolutely Free, The Grand Wazoo
The Flower Kings - Back in the World of Adventures
Camel - The Snow Goose
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
Gong - You, Shamal
Or something like that... There's too much good stuff!
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Gufo-Pnd
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Posted: January 30 2008 at 17:19 |
As a converted prog fan, the bands I started to hear and would recomenr for a starting prog fan are:
King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King
EL&P - The first album and Brain Salad Surgery
Yes - Fragile
Camel - Moonmadness
The Soft Machine - Album one
and Mars Volta but I do not recomend a lot
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Gentlegiantprog
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Posted: February 01 2008 at 04:24 |
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What I've used to succesfully convert a few mates are (songs not albums)
Camel - Rhyader
ELP- Living Sin and Karn Evil 9
King Crimson - Level 5, Red,
Genesis - In The Cage, Cinema show
Gentle Giant - On Reflection
Rush - Tom Sawyer, 2112 , The Trees
Floyd - God anything, the best for conversion by a country mile.
I got into prog myself only like 3 years ago, thruogh hearing the origionals of covers, like Mushroom Head's Empty Spaces, Forbidden and Entombed's Schizoid Man covers.
Also the Progiier Metal Bands are always the Coolest, Tool, Mars Volta, Mastadon.
Or Hearing influences, The fact that Tool toured with Crimson/Love Crimson definatly helped me.
Or The Coheed/Rush thing.
But mostly its because I liked Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and it seemed to me Floyd were the next logical step and it all went from there.
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