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tszirmay
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 22:07 |
I once actually purchased a 10 disc prog starter kit for a budding progger, this was in the late 80s.I remember it like yesterday.
1- Wakeman- 6 wives of Henry VIII (classical connection)
2- Weather Report- Sweetnighter (jazz connection)
3- ELO- On the Third Day (Beatles-Classical connection)
4- Tangerine Dream- Encore Live (electro)
5- The Strawbs- Hero & Heroine (prog-folk)
6- KC- In the Court (???)
7- Gryphon- Red Queen to Gryphon 3 (easier than Giant)
8- Ange- Au Dela du Delire (french style)
9- Le Orme- Felona e Sorona (italian)
10- Mothers of Invention- Overnite Sensation (overall weirdness)
He liked all of it except the T Dream ( sleep music , he called it!!!)
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explodingjosh
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 21:54 |
Just give them Larks' Tongues in Apsic, Meshuggah's I, and wish them the best of luck.
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Proletariat
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:54 |
puma wrote:
The thing about indie fans liking VdGG is totally true, and it's absolutely shocking. Not that I know anything about indie, or want to, but all my indie friends at school end up really liking VdGG, I don't know why.
For some reason Yes is much harder for them to get into, which is funny because they're so much more commercially accessible (which really tells you something about both Yes AND VdGG!)
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You have to know what draws them, indie fans like lyrics, VDGG has that, Yes really dosn't
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:24 |
twee?! ..maybe on 'Acquiring'
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:13 |
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Endless Wire
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:33 |
Draith wrote:
laplace wrote:
I've had good results with giving Can or VdGG albums to fans of indie rock. They'll already know Radiohead and GY!BE in many cases, and let me tell you that they won't be convinced when you claim their prog status. ;)
Just in general, don't try to tempt anyone into the genre with Art Bears or Gentle Giant. They seem to be great turn offs. :(
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So I noticed, GG seems to sound really annoying to most non-proggers, and even some hardcore proggers like me at first. I guess they're just too weird for most people, as is a lot of the more eclectic prog. I love them now though. 
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Actually all of the people I know, even non prog fans, liked GG the first time I played it for them. Surprised me too.
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sleeper
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:32 |
Dream Theater's Images and Words got me, and I didnt even listen to metal before I heard that.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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BaldJean
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:27 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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sean
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:22 |
BaldJean wrote:
sean wrote:
I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans. for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point. for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.
I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.
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depends on what you play to them. the live album "Vital" might appeal to a punk fan
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I think my problem is that I want to play them what I think is best so I end up playing Pawn Hearts.
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puma
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:21 |
The thing about indie fans liking VdGG is totally true, and it's absolutely shocking. Not that I know anything about indie, or want to, but all my indie friends at school end up really liking VdGG, I don't know why.
For some reason Yes is much harder for them to get into, which is funny because they're so much more commercially accessible (which really tells you something about both Yes AND VdGG!)
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BaldJean
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:16 |
sean wrote:
I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans. for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point. for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.
I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.
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depends on what you play to them. the live album "Vital" might appeal to a punk fan
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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sean
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:11 |
I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans. for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point. for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.
I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.
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BaldJean
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:04 |
a great album to give to techno freaks is "The White Zone" by the Psychedelic Warriors, who are actually no-one else but Hawkwind under an alias name
Edited by BaldJean - January 23 2008 at 19:09
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:46 |
Draith wrote:
Can't really think of anything for techno... except maybe electronic prog(?)  |
Ozric Tentacles maybe?
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK
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rushfan4
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:43 |
I agree that probably the best way to bring someone into ProgNation is through the border crossing of their non-prog musical tastes. i.e. Metal to Prog Metal; Jazz to Jazz-Fusion; Classical to Symphonic; etc..
One thought would be to reel them in via the "progressive hits". See separate thread for discussion regarding these, although some are fairly obvious. Depending on your target, this could be either beneficial or detrimental. If the person likes Owner of a Lonely Heart or Lucky Man, et al, then they might be interested in exploring those bands further and discover the good stuff, which may or may not be a shock to their systems. On the other hand, they might laugh and say if all prog sounds like Owner of A Lonely Heart or Invisible Touch, I don't want to have anything to do with it.
My second thought would be to make a mixed CD of some of your favorite songs from your favorite bands and let them listen to it. They might find something within there that they would like and then they can begin their exploration from there.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:30 |
getting people into prog isn't my thing anymore, hasn't been for years. Whatever it is that makes prog great for me is just my own perspective and value system. I haven't got the inclination any more to waist time trying to help others feel what I feel when it comes to music.
Edited by Yorkie X - January 23 2008 at 18:35
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:11 |
^ yeah those would excellent starters
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Draith
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:07 |
Personally, I think would go with Fragile for classic rock like kibble
mentioned would be sufficiant, as well as Images and Words for metal
heads (is seems DT is known for converting many people actually), Permanent Waves for hard rockers (it sure worked on me!), and maybe Weather Report's Black Market for the more jazz oriented listeners. Can't really think of
anything for techno... except maybe electronic prog(?)
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Draith
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:50 |
laplace wrote:
I've had good results with giving Can or VdGG albums to fans of indie rock. They'll already know Radiohead and GY!BE in many cases, and let me tell you that they won't be convinced when you claim their prog status. ;)
Just in general, don't try to tempt anyone into the genre with Art Bears or Gentle Giant. They seem to be great turn offs. :(
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So I noticed, GG seems to sound really annoying to most non-proggers, and even some hardcore proggers like me at first. I guess they're just too weird for most people, as is a lot of the more eclectic prog. I love them now though.
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The Pessimist
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Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:46 |
i got started on Yes, Roundabout if that helps. Thats also probably because i was completely into classic rock like zeppelin and deep pruple.
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