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    Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:23
So I've been thinking about what albums I should give all of my musically inclined friends that think they might like progressive rock. And it got me thinking... what would you consider the best set of albums for introducing someone to prog or who is recently converting to prog? You could account for various musical tastes and sub-genres as well, such as someone who likes more alternative sounding music might like Radiohead or Porcupine Tree and the likes; a metal head might get into Symphony X, Riverside, Opeth, or Dream Theater or something of the sort. Now I wouldn't simply throw masterpiece albums at them; I'd think about what albums might make a transition to their musical taste into the right frame of mind. What do you consider the perfect prog "starter kit?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:34
I've had good results with giving Can or VdGG albums to fans of indie rock. They'll already know Radiohead and GY!BE in many cases, and let me tell you that they won't be convinced when you claim their prog status. ;)

Just in general, don't try to tempt anyone into the genre with Art Bears or Gentle Giant. They seem to be great turn offs. :(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:42
I like this question (though I think it's been done)  ..hard to know whether to appeal to their tastes or yours, I did play my mom Tarkus recently and she really dug it (but she already likes jazz and classical), I played a friend Tortoise's Standards which he loved, and I've played musician friends really complex stuff which they always appreciate   ..I think I generally try to get a sense of the person and the moment, and chose something appropriate

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:46
i got started on Yes, Roundabout if that helps. Thats also probably because i was completely into classic rock like zeppelin and deep pruple.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:50
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

I've had good results with giving Can or VdGG albums to fans of indie rock. They'll already know Radiohead and GY!BE in many cases, and let me tell you that they won't be convinced when you claim their prog status. ;)

Just in general, don't try to tempt anyone into the genre with Art Bears or Gentle Giant. They seem to be great turn offs. :(


So I noticed, GG seems to sound really annoying to most non-proggers, and even some hardcore proggers like me at first. I guess they're just too weird for most people, as is a lot of the more eclectic prog. I love them now though. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:07
Personally, I think would go with Fragile for classic rock like kibble mentioned would be sufficiant, as well as Images and Words for metal heads (is seems DT is known for converting many people actually), Permanent Waves for hard rockers (it sure worked on me!), and maybe Weather Report's Black Market for the more jazz oriented listeners. Can't really think of anything for techno... except maybe electronic prog(?) Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:11
^ yeah those would excellent starters
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:30
getting people into prog isn't my thing anymore,  hasn't been for years.  Whatever it is that makes prog great for me is just my own perspective and value system. I haven't got the inclination any more to waist time trying to help others feel what I feel when it comes to music. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:43

I agree that probably the best way to bring someone into ProgNation is through the border crossing of their non-prog musical tastes.  i.e. Metal to Prog Metal; Jazz to Jazz-Fusion; Classical to Symphonic; etc.. 

One thought would be to reel them in via the "progressive hits".  See separate thread for discussion regarding these, although some are fairly obvious.  Depending on your target, this could be either beneficial or detrimental.  If the person likes Owner of a Lonely Heart or Lucky Man, et al, then they might be interested in exploring those bands further and discover the good stuff, which may or may not be a shock to their systems.  On the other hand, they might laugh and say if all prog sounds like Owner of A Lonely Heart or Invisible Touch, I don't want to have anything to do with it.
 
My second thought would be to make a mixed CD of some of your favorite songs from your favorite bands and let them listen to it.  They might find something within there that they would like and then they can begin their exploration from there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 18:46
Originally posted by Draith Draith wrote:

Can't really think of anything for techno... except maybe electronic prog(?) Ermm
 
Ozric Tentacles maybe?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:04
a great album to give to techno freaks is "The White Zone" by the Psychedelic Warriors, who are actually no-one else but Hawkwind under an alias name



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I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans.
for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point.
for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.

I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:16
Originally posted by sean sean wrote:

I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans.
for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point.
for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.

I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.

depends on what you play to them. the live album "Vital" might appeal to a punk fan


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:21
The thing about indie fans liking VdGG is totally true, and it's absolutely shocking. Not that I know anything about indie, or want to, but all my indie friends at school end up really liking VdGG, I don't know why.

For some reason Yes is much harder for them to get into, which is funny because they're so much more commercially accessible (which really tells you something about both Yes AND VdGG!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:22
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by sean sean wrote:

I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans.
for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point.
for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.

I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.

depends on what you play to them. the live album "Vital" might appeal to a punk fan


I think my problem is that I want to play them what I think is best so I end up playing Pawn Hearts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:27
Originally posted by sean sean wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by sean sean wrote:

I personally started off with Rush. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures could be a good way to convert the musically inclined hard rock fans.
for metal heads I agree DT is a good starting point.
for classic rock fans, I'd go with Rush, Kansas, Yes, that sort of thing.

I'm actually surprised that some people mentioned VdGG. They just don't seem to me to be the type that would appeal to the non prog crowds.

depends on what you play to them. the live album "Vital" might appeal to a punk fan


I think my problem is that I want to play them what I think is best so I end up playing Pawn Hearts.

I absolutely love "Pawn Hearts" and would give it 5 stars, but I would give 5 stars to "Vital" too. a much underrated album. one of my very favorite live recordings, and I love live recordings. the bass of Nic Potter alone is a real killer; the only bass sound that comes close is the bass on the "Live / Hhai" album by Magma


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:32
Dream Theater's Images and Words got me, and I didnt even listen to metal before I heard that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 19:33
Originally posted by Draith Draith wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

I've had good results with giving Can or VdGG albums to fans of indie rock. They'll already know Radiohead and GY!BE in many cases, and let me tell you that they won't be convinced when you claim their prog status. ;)

Just in general, don't try to tempt anyone into the genre with Art Bears or Gentle Giant. They seem to be great turn offs. :(


So I noticed, GG seems to sound really annoying to most non-proggers, and even some hardcore proggers like me at first. I guess they're just too weird for most people, as is a lot of the more eclectic prog. I love them now though. Smile
 
Actually all of the people I know, even non prog fans, liked GG the first time I played it for them.  Surprised me too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:13
Originally posted by Draith Draith wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

I've had good results with giving Can or VdGG albums to fans of indie rock. They'll already know Radiohead and GY!BE in many cases, and let me tell you that they won't be convinced when you claim their prog status. ;)

Just in general, don't try to tempt anyone into the genre with Art Bears or Gentle Giant. They seem to be great turn offs. :(


So I noticed, GG seems to sound really annoying to most non-proggers, and even some hardcore proggers like me at first. I guess they're just too weird for most people, as is a lot of the more eclectic prog. I love them now though. Smile
I think they're too twee for a lot of people, but that's just me. I like them when they rock, but the rest of the time...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 20:24
twee?!   ..maybe on 'Acquiring' 
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