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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2008 at 03:01
^ I am not much impressed by Tipton, to be perfectly honest. I am an avid follower of the shred guitar scene as well, which also means that I'm familiar with this sort of "Vai bashing". What I don't understand is how little you know about Vai's bandwidth of techniques if you really own all these albums/DVDs. First of all: Vai's playing has always been exceptional, even in the 80s. Just compare his playing on for example Passion and Warfare to what Satriani was playing at the time. Secondly, if you look at Vai in the 90s or 2000s you'll discover that he expanded his playing to totally different techniques again ... just two words: fretless, sustainer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbAi7fa2yZo).

There may be guitarist who play faster than Vai, but Vai is - at least for me - the ultimate combination of emotional playing, masterly technique, flawless execution and innovative composition/songwriting.


BTW: I actually agree with your theory that guitar techniques evolve ... a guitarist who begins his career in the 80s has more "building blocks" to use than one of the 1970s, in addition to the techniques which he creates all by himself (which there are very few of). What I don't agree with is that guitarists are stuck in their decade ... some are (Malmsteen most of all), some are not.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 22:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Vai.
Vai is amazing, but his more of an all around virtuoso, good at many techniques, but a master of none. Hence why i couldn't pick him as the "best".


Rather "master of all". Which technique hasn't he mastered?Big%20smile
 
As I've said, he is certainly great at many techniques, but if your an avid follower of the shred guitar scene like I am (I have no idea if you are you or not, Vai is really a master of composition, but not so much of guitar technique. I am a huge Vai fan, having about 3/4 of his solo albums, Live in Astoria and Visual Sound theories, not to mention all three G3 DVDs. His technique is still very much "80s virtuoso" level, as what happens to many guitarists that are in their technical prime in certain period, resulting in each sucessive generation of guitarists being more technical. Just to make more sense on that point i'll give examples: Jimmy Page/Tony Iommi were very much aof the late 60s guitarists and their technique is firmly rooted in that period, Dave Murray from Iron Maiden developed most of his technique in the 70s and his technique is rooted in that era, Marty Friedman/Joe Satriani/Vai/Malmsteen were very much a part of the 80s shred scene and there technique is rooted in that era, Rusty Cooley/Jasun Tipton/Jeff Loomis were part of the 90s and even today's shred scene and have highly evolved technique.
While Vai is something special, many virtuosos of the 90s/00s can sweep pick, tap, alternate pick, string skip, legato more cleanly and quicker than Vai, some people significantly so. Cooley is faster and cleaner in all those areas then Vai, so i would consider him a master of all those techniques. And few people can match, if any at all, can match Tipton's abilities in mixing sweep picking and alternate picking in one pattern. Master in the 80s? I guess so,l but not so much nowadays. Being a Progmetal Specialist, im assuming you have heard Zero Hour and Tiptons insane techniqueWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 22:23
Originally posted by 1vic 1vic wrote:

That thread is irrelevant.It's not like all the guitar players perform the same piece of music e.g Bumble Bee and such using a metronome so you can tell who is the fastest one. And I want to see it because speeding up the recording is a common practice since the end of 40s.Cool

You see, you're supposed to use your brain and judge for yourself by comparing the musicians and what they play.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 21:35
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

@1Vic,I usually PM when chastising a member but I am tired of this kind of behavior.Time for a crackdown.
 
The way you have addressed other people and their opinions and thoughts in this thread is reprehensible.We don't allow that kind of behavior here,and I am sick and tired of newbies coming into this forum and acting like this.Consider this a warning.
 
And I'LL determine if a thread is irrelevant.


Thanks for the warning, officer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 15:53
@1Vic,I usually PM when chastising a member but I am tired of this kind of behavior.Time for a crackdown.
 
The way you have addressed other people and their opinions and thoughts in this thread is reprehensible.We don't allow that kind of behavior here,and I am sick and tired of newbies coming into this forum and acting like this.Consider this a warning.
 
And I'LL determine if a thread is irrelevant.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 11:00
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Vai.
Vai is amazing, but his more of an all around virtuoso, good at many techniques, but a master of none. Hence why i couldn't pick him as the "best".


Rather "master of all". Which technique hasn't he mastered?Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 10:46
That thread is irrelevant.
It's not like all the guitar players perform the same piece of music e.g Bumble Bee and such using a metronome so you can tell who is the fastest one. And I want to see it because speeding up the recording is a common practice since the end of 40s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2008 at 00:56
Originally posted by SilverSean SilverSean wrote:

Originally posted by Endless Wire Endless Wire wrote:

It has been proven that Shawn Lane is the fastest guitar player in the world.  I think he can pick something like 19 notes per second or some such number.  Search for him on youtube and watch the sick lick video.  It is mind blowing, especially that lick around 2:36.

 
Ahem. Was the fastest.
RIP Shawn
 
Read my post on the first page about that one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 22:50
Originally posted by Endless Wire Endless Wire wrote:

It has been proven that Shawn Lane is the fastest guitar player in the world.  I think he can pick something like 19 notes per second or some such number.  Search for him on youtube and watch the sick lick video.  It is mind blowing, especially that lick around 2:36.

 
Ahem. Was the fastest.
RIP Shawn
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 17:52
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 13:09
Well Alvin Lee is other,..but after I will post more names.Van Halen etc etc
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 03:06
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Vai.
Vai is amazing, but his more of an all around virtuoso, good at many techniques, but a master of none. Hence why i couldn't pick him as the "best".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 02:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 02:38
Uh, Blackmore? For combing speed, technique, memorability and emotional resonance, the last of which is tricky as hell, 'cause it's all personal and crap.
 
But what TRULY earned me Mr. Blackmore's eternal trust was a video I saw of him doin' "Burn" at the California Jam, doing all them speedy solos, for which he only needed one hand...and he was looking down at said hand with DISGUST, with a face that said, "Oh come on Ritchie! You can get to that note note .0037 seconds faster! What's WRONG with you man! This is awful!"
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 02:00
For me, Vinnie Moore is the best Guitarist in terms of technique & speed
 
After him i'd give my vote to: Steve Vai, Neil Zaza, Andy Timmons, Jorn Viggo Lofstad (Pagan's Mind), Kiko Loureiro & Axel Rudi Pell 
 
& we might as well mention the late Criss Oliva of Savatage, this guy was light years ahead of his time
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2008 at 00:05
Originally posted by Endless Wire Endless Wire wrote:

It has been proven that Shawn Lane is the fastest guitar player in the world.  I think he can pick something like 19 notes per second or some such number.  Search for him on youtube and watch the sick lick video.  It is mind blowing, especially that lick around 2:36.

 
While I love Shawn Lane and find him to be one of the most tasteful guitarists that can play that fast (many of his songs bring me to tears), as absurd as it may seem to some people that have watched him on youtube (or live if you were even luckier, i never got that privilege), there are many guitarists out there faster than Shawn Lane, in fact some people significantly so. An Australian guitarist, Jeremy Barnes, did a guitar clinic in Melbourne two years ago, and he performed 16th note alternate picking at 400 bpm, approximately 26.7 notes per second. It's been reputed his clocked over 500bpm, although it seems like a fantasy, so im only willing to go with what i saw with my own eyes, 400bpm in 16th notes (quite jaw dropping stuff if you ever see this guy).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2008 at 22:39
Michael Romeo has the most taste in his shredding, and he's in the best band
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