Possibly the most complicated thing ive ever heard

None of these bands know much  about music though. Put the sheet music for say, Rodrigo`s Concierto d`Aranjuez in fromt of them and they would be lost.

I can't help but feel good about the advent of the complex (or pseudo-complex, if you want) hardcore music. At long last the kids at my high school are moving beyond Blink 182...

It ain't perfect, but it's a lot less annoying. And while some of those bands might be misleading people when they label themselves "progressive", that label could lead kids to real progressive rock.

OK...that video...was a bit of a surprise.

Yuck.

On the other hand, I find this video awe-inspiring (not in terms of composition, before you post about how they have no understanding of musical theory...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA



Edited by Hirgwath - January 16 2008 at 16:05

Hirgwath wrote: OK...that video...was a bit of a surprise. Yuck. On the other hand, I find this video awe-inspiring (not in terms of composition, before you post about how they have no understanding of musical theory...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA

I didn't think it was that unmusical. Did you guys actually listen to the Pi song, or did you just listen to the first on the list, because the Pi song had no vocals. The beginning guitar thing was pretty well done. And the Pi part is amazing. You guys say it isn't that complicated, but do you realize that to play this song you need to memorize the first 71 digits of Pi? Let me break down the Pi part, since the article does a poor job clarifying. It plays a number by playing a group of eight notes, and seperates them by a dotted eighth rest. so, the riff starts like (counted in 16ths) ( 1-1-1--1--1-1-1-1--1--1-1-1-1-1--), see? 3.1415 is what is in the parenthesis. Then, over that, the drummer plays a steady 4/4 pattern with the hi-hat, snare, and china cymbal. 

Is this the most complex song ever? No. It is basically a sequence of random numbers, just like pi. Hard to play? Heck yeah!

Nuke wrote: I didn't think it was that unmusical. Did you guys actually listen to the Pi song, or did you just listen to the first on the list, because the Pi song had no vocals. The beginning guitar thing was pretty well done. And the Pi part is amazing. You guys say it isn't that complicated, but do you realize that to play this song you need to memorize the first 71 digits of Pi? Let me break down the Pi part, since the article does a poor job clarifying. It plays a number by playing a group of eight notes, and seperates them by a dotted eighth rest. so, the riff starts like (counted in 16ths) ( 1-1-1--1--1-1-1-1--1--1-1-1-1-1--), see? 3.1415 is what is in the parenthesis.�Then,�over�that,�the�drummer�plays�a�steady�4/4�pattern�with�the�hi-hat,�snare,�and�china�cymbal.� Is this the most complex song ever? No. It is basically a sequence of random numbers, just like pi. Hard to play? Heck yeah!

I hadn't noticed that, but that's cool... mostly because it's extremely nerdy.  I love mathematical patterns in music... so that's a neat idea.  The rest of their material however... not so much.

It would be good if someone could actually give us a good definition of complicated, so we can make better judgement of the songs complexity.

 

Well...really and truly, complexity and "complicated" are both relative terms.

Eh, I don't know. Somehow I think 'complex' is the wrong word to describe music played by people 
like Brotzmann. Extremely 'dense' maybe, but 'complex'?

I love Brotzmann, BTW, but I think 'complex' is more suitable for composers from the (duh) New Complexity
'movement', like Brian Ferneyhough or James Dillon; also for people like Stockhausen, Elliott Carter and
even the already mentioned Stravinsky.   
 

DT has made more complex songs that that!