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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 08:36
Originally posted by the_id the_id wrote:

I like heavy metal...Iron Maiden are the best bar none. but there are lots of good, but more lousy heavy stuff out there. Superego?........you obviously don't know me.....repect is a 2 way street. Looking in the mirror doesn't countWink

And yet one of your opening posts on this forum was an atack against prog metal, a very pathetic attempt at one as well.

Are you surprised at the lack of respect when you start off like that?

(BTW, a lot of the PM I doesnt have any keyboards and is most certainly not "just" heavy metal)


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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:12
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

PLEASE don't start any discussion again...PLEASE...ShockedConfused
 

LOL


���YOU!!! ���THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!


nah... blame Raffaella.... her idea to split existing subs first with AR. The PMT must have seen how well that went.. and just copied us LOLWink
 
Mike,Me,Bryan and Tristan came up with subs,wrote definitions and listened to every PM band in the database and placed them in their respective subs(Ithink we started with 7,then narrowed it down to 5) over TWO YEARS ago Micky.We even tried to get it implemented but it was rejected.
 
Methinks you guys copied us.Wink


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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:31
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

PLEASE don't start any discussion again...PLEASE...ShockedConfused
 

LOL


���YOU!!! ���THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!


nah... blame Raffaella.... her idea to split existing subs first with AR. The PMT must have seen how well that went.. and just copied us LOLWink
 
Mike,Me,Bryan and Tristan came up with subs,wrote definitions and listened to every PM band in the database and placed them in their respective subs(Ithink we started with 7,then narrowed it down to 5) over TWO YEARS ago Micky.We even tried to get it implemented but it was rejected.
 
Methinks you guys copied us.Wink


bah.. .details details LOL  

so I guess I need to amend my previous post hahhaha

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by cuncuna cuncuna wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

PLEASE don't start any discussion again...PLEASE...ShockedConfused
 

LOL


���YOU!!! ���THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!


nah... blame Raffaella.... her idea to split existing subs first with AR. The owners  must have seen how well that went.. how incredibly well managed the split was.. and decided to let the PMT do it as well LOLWink



ahhh... nothing like calling them as they are hahhaha
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I am not too happy with it, to be honest. avant-garde is avant-garde; everything else is secondary. I don't see the need to differentiate between prog avant-garde and prog metal avant-garde. I personally believe metal and avant-garde are mutually exclusive. by that I don't want to belittle prog metal bands. but take a look at the prog avant-garde bands: do you honestly think there is much "rock" in bands like the Residents or Henry Cow? certainly not, which is what makes them avant-garde. if there were more rock in them they would cease to be avant-garde. which is why many people don't see these artists as belonging in here. I think it is the same with Prog Metal: as soon as the "Metal" part becomes too obvious they cease to be avant-garde. which is why I think one avant-garde genre is enough to throw them all in


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am not too happy with it, to be honest. avant-garde is avant-garde; everything else is secondary.



not to be a prick Jean... but I'll clue you in to something...



listener expectations....


for this site....everything else is secondary.... if a group is prog-metal... they belong with prog-metal groups.. and the PMT  then divides them according to secondary aspects of their sound that make them different. People coming here want to find groups that match their interests.. say the acne scarred youth that dig Prog Metal.. .it stands they be together... not with other groups that have NOTHING in common musically other than that someone has deemed them to be... avant-garde.  Not to mention... if I cared to know how many ways that could be defined... I'd ask just want it means to each of us.
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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 18:56

Whats done is don, Jean stop.

More sub genres=More bands albums being on the definitive top twenty= More bands being recognized and appreciated. NOTHING BAD CAN COME FROM THIS!
 
Now, can we please close this thread.
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Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:


More sub genres=More bands albums being on the definitive top twenty= More bands being recognized and appreciated. NOTHING BAD CAN COME FROM THIS!
 



^ wise words...

now it can be closed LOL
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:


More sub genres=More bands albums being on the definitive top twenty= More bands being recognized and appreciated. NOTHING BAD CAN COME FROM THIS!
 



^ wise words...

now it can be closed LOL
 
No.. I have to have the last word....
 
The split was done like 19261 months ago....
 
Opinions are important... but the split is done and finished, and WORKING.
 
So, let's save our livers....Tongue
 
NOW it can be closed
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am not too happy with it, to be honest. avant-garde is avant-garde; everything else is secondary. I don't see the need to differentiate between prog avant-garde and prog metal avant-garde. I personally believe metal and avant-garde are mutually exclusive. by that I don't want to belittle prog metal bands. but take a look at the prog avant-garde bands: do you honestly think there is much "rock" in bands like the Residents or Henry Cow? certainly not, which is what makes them avant-garde. if there were more rock in them they would cease to be avant-garde. which is why many people don't see these artists as belonging in here. I think it is the same with Prog Metal: as soon as the "Metal" part becomes too obvious they cease to be avant-garde. which is why I think one avant-garde genre is enough to throw them all in
 
I don't see how any two genres can be mutually exclusive. Genre fusing happens everywhere, I don't see why it can't happen with rock and avant-garde. Heck, I have albums of avant-garde RAP!
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 21:58
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:


More sub genres=More bands albums being on the definitive top twenty= More bands being recognized and appreciated. NOTHING BAD CAN COME FROM THIS!
 



^ wise words...

now it can be closed LOL
 
No.. I have to have the last word....
 
The split was done like 19261 months ago....
 
Opinions are important... but the split is done and finished, and WORKING.
 
So, let's save our livers....Tongue
 
NOW it can be closed


Clap hah... rookie... last word.. and last clappie..

NOW it can be closed  LOL (and last laughie)
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Points: 2779 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 22:42
Transatlantic is the greatest band ever. Now it can be closed.
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These sub categories of metal seems inane to me because there is only one category metal fits inside.  To put it simply music is just music.  This discussion is laughable. LOL
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It is inane within this site. There are in my opinion two possibilities: Either Prog Metal stays included on this site, then it should be treated like every other category and not get an "Extrawurst" with lots of sub categories. The other possibility: You create a Prog Metal site of its own where there can be all the subcategories you want. We don't have lots of subcategories for symphonic either, and there are lots of very different bands under that umbrella too with very many different styles. And I don't see the necessity for subcategorizing symphonic. Mike will probably say "Ah, but Prog Metal is different", but then there is option one for him.


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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 07:29
^ Other teams are considering sub-categorising their subgenres by movements, factions, styles and regionality within the subgenre. This will not involve creating new subs as PM and Art Rock did, but in essence it is the same thing as it collects similar bands and artists together.

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Well, it is insane in my opinion. It would be much better if a band could belong to more than just one genre. All this sub categorizing is only necessary because this is not the case. We will soon have a jazz-rock/fusion sub-genre in Prog Metal and a Metal sub-genre in jazz-rock/fusion. This does definitely NOT make it easier for the viewer of this site.
Currently a lot of bands are in here under a wrong moniker because of this problem. Kraan and Embryo, for example, are listed under jazz-rock/fusion. The first albums of Kraan are, however, typically Kraut too with their quirky humour. And anyone who knows just a little bit of Embryo definitely feels confused to see them listed under jazz-rock/fusion. Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are listed under "Progressive electronic", although their origins are definitely in Kraut and their first albums definitely belong there. I could continue this endlessly.


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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 22:32

Mmm.... what part of "NOW it can be closed" isn't so clear? Tongue

I guess for further discussion in the sub-genre-ization thing you have to create another thread. This one has lost credibility and no one will visit except for weirdos like me who want to have the last word....Tongue... If you want everybody to participate in a thread about genres, create one.
 
NOW (as in this moment) it (referring to the thread) can (as in "you're able to do it") be (as in "action", a verb coming to life) closed (verb and results we expect).
 
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, it is insane in my opinion. It would be much better if a band could belong to more than just one genre. All this sub categorizing is only necessary because this is not the case. We will soon have a jazz-rock/fusion sub-genre in Prog Metal and a Metal sub-genre in jazz-rock/fusion. This does definitely NOT make it easier for the viewer of this site.
Currently a lot of bands are in here under a wrong moniker because of this problem. Kraan and Embryo, for example, are listed under jazz-rock/fusion. The first albums of Kraan are, however, typically Kraut too with their quirky humour. And anyone who knows just a little bit of Embryo definitely feels confused to see them listed under jazz-rock/fusion. Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze are listed under "Progressive electronic", although their origins are definitely in Kraut and their first albums definitely belong there. I could continue this endlessly.


Still, only few people come over to my website where multi genre has been possible for almost two years now. Most of the words you're using to describe the albums are available as tags ... "quirky", "humour" etc..
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

It is inane within this site. There are in my opinion two possibilities: Either Prog Metal stays included on this site, then it should be treated like every other category and not get an "Extrawurst" with lots of sub categories. The other possibility: You create a Prog Metal site of its own where there can be all the subcategories you want. We don't have lots of subcategories for symphonic either, and there are lots of very different bands under that umbrella too with very many different styles. And I don't see the necessity for subcategorizing symphonic. Mike will probably say "Ah, but Prog Metal is different", but then there is option one for him.


There is also the option "the way it is now", which I'm perfectly happy with. It's the best solution I can think of within the given limitation of having only one genre per artist.
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what  is Post Sludge Metal, i never heared about this subgenre or what is. Confused
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^ It's Post Metal with a definitive influence/root in Sludge Metal. 
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