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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 03 2008 at 23:21 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Nice review. I love that album and plan to review it one day.
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Finnforest
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 16:17 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
hey, thanks for the nod, guys..... quite an album, i look forward to more reviews on that from you RIO experts.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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avestin
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 16:19 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Actually, I'd be interested to read your take on Yugen's album when you get to listen to it.
(If you can't find it, PM me).
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avestin
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 20:50 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
There is a fantastic thread over at the Progressive Ears forum (www.progressiveears.com) about "Tim Hodgkinson solo stuff/ Cow off-shoots "
Now I'll come back to Hodgkinson's music later (which is a good topic in itself and wonderful music at that).
We got to the topic of Romanian composer Iancu Dumiterscu, his music and the philosophy behind it. I won't go into it as I myself have not yet fully understood and absorbed it but you can read an interview with him here:
http://www.furious.com/perfect/iancu.html
This interview was done by Tim Hodgkinson who plays in the ensemble that Dumitrescu has founded - Hyperion Ensemble.
I listened to this release from Dumitrescu's label -
Iancu Dumitrescu - Pierres Sacrees / Harryphonies / Grande Ourse (1983 - 1991)
Pierres Sacrées (1991) 17'25''
[pour pianos préparés, plaques et objets métalliques] Harryphonies (alpha) (1985) 18'10'' [pour contrebasse solo et ensemble] Grande Ourse (1983) 15'30'' [pour deux bassons, piano préparé, percussion et bande] Harryphonies (epsilon) (1986) 19'00'' [pour contrebasse solo et ensemble] (all music composed by Iancu Dumitrescu and performed by the Ensemble Hyperion, except Harryphonies (epsilon) performed by RTV [Orchestre National de Romaine], directed by Losif Conta) All I can say right now is that with all the weird things I listen to (and love) this was the first cd I heard in a long time that made me think that maybe this is too much for me... (it comes close, I can tell you that). I have a feeling it will make me rethink all that I heard until now and see it in a different perspective.
In any case, after that everything else seems so accessible and easy listening....
This is not music, it is an experience.
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Apsalar
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 21:11 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I love moments like this, it is one of the big reason I love listening to Avant-garde music, always pushing the boundaries of my perception of music. Unfortunately there are a lot of fizzer's out there as well. Is there any way I could hear some samples? This has me intrigued! edit: just looking at that link now. Edited by Black Velvet - January 05 2008 at 21:12 |
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avestin
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 21:37 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Also, aside from getting the album, go to the thread in the link I posted above and read what the poster m (Michael) is saying, he's the one who's been giving me guidance on this, along with Dave Kerman.
Now enjoying a fabulous followup to that Dumitrescu album - Supersilent 5. Wow!
Do you have any albums by them, Adam?
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avestin
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Posted: January 05 2008 at 23:51 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Two more Dumitrescu links:
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 00:36 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You're in contact with Dave Kerman? Damn you, Assaf!
I'll try and listen to some Dumitrescu at some point, but right now, Starless & Bible Black is poisoning my ears. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 04:32 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I will have a listen to the album some time on the morrow, I unfortunately have my hands tied for most nights for the next three weeks, so don't have a huge amount of listening time. I didn't realise his releases were so late, I was expecting something earlier, not that this is a bad thing, I tend to find a lot of the earlier composers are quiet dated in this day an age.
I have a few Supersilent albums, but no hard copies so my memory is a little hazy on which ones I've got. I do remember either 5 or 6 being my favourite ones. Certainly a worthwhile band, I will have to give them another listen soon.
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avestin
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 11:28 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I want to return to an album I briefly mentioned yesterday since I wanted to focus on Dumitrescu's music.
Tim Hodgkinson released several albums of his own and others in collaboration and he also played in projects by others (Hyperion Ensemble being one example from above posts).
His discography is in this PDF file - http://www.timhodgkinson.co.uk/discography.pdf
An album I listened to yesterday and which on any other day would have sounded very avantgarde but after Dumiterscu's music it sounded like "regular" music - Each In Our Own Thughts.
Highly recommended piece of classical-avantgarde, sometimes reminiscent of U Totem but without any rock.
Links:
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,1002040,00.html (listen to samples of the album).
Here's the lineup and details of the album
I will definitely track his other recordings (Sketch Of Now will be next).
Try it!
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Syzygy
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 16:28 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've always been less keen on Tim Hodgkinson's solo work than most other Henry Cow spin offs but Each In Our Own Thoughts is an excellent place to start, not least because Hold To The Zero Burn, Imagine was a long piece that was to have been recorded by Henry Cow but was abandoned. On this CD it's a semi-reunion of HC, with Chris Cutler, Dagmar and Lindsay Cooper all participating along with the mighty Guy Seegers on bass.
Also worth dipping into is Woof 7", which gathers together some excellent non-album pieces by Hodgkinson/Gilonis, The Work and Lowest Note On The Organ.
I'm preparing to try K-Space next, although I suspect it will be hard work.
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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avestin
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Sounds good, I'll add it to the list. Thanks.
By the way, Chris, have you heard the Hyperion Ensemble (the one with Hodgkinson and Cutler)? Or any other Dumitrescu compostion?
On another topic, I got a recommendation for this album called EM by a power trio called I-Z which is:
Number three from Iz is an avant-hard rock instrumental winner. Michael Lance Serviolo (guitar), Tom Sublet (bass), and Dave Kerman (drums) re-define the rock power trio
(notice someone you know there?)
Listen to samples here - http://www.emusic.com/album/I-Z-Em-MP3-Download/10953068.html
It's available ar ReR USA (www.rerusa.com)
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Apsalar
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 22:26 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Assaf, I listen through the disc this afternoon, I found Pierres.scarees the most interesting piece. It reminded me somewhat of some of David Tudor's prepared piano pieces. German label Edition RZ re-issued a disc called David Tudor - Music for Piano (2007); you can find it at Forced Exposer: http://www.forcedexposure.com/artists/tudor.david.html. It includes his working of John Cage's Variations II which is stunning. This is a very important document in the history of avant-garde music. The following link goes into more detail on Tudor's realisation of the piece: http://www.music.princeton.edu/~jwp/texts/Var2.html#part2.
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Finnforest
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 22:28 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well, the samples on their MySpace sure do sound interesting. May have to add that title to the list. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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avestin
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 22:37 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You got my attention! I'll look into this as well (could you help me with some link... ? )
Thanks for those links
Oh and Adam, do you have that Hodgkinson album I mentioned above? Each To His Own Thoughts?
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avestin
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If you need help in finding it, let me know.
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Finnforest
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The man....Greg Walker.....has all!! The Lord of Prog. Between him, Larson, and Wayside, I almost never have to stoop to the Amazon level. I get to buy from good, honest, small biz people that care about prog!
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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avestin
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Yep, I buy there as well, great sources!
Enjoy!
Mr. Black Velvet! Yo, Adam, are you still here? 3 posts above, have a look.
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Apsalar
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You might have to wait a little while, it is still on my 'to get' list of 2007 releases - so I don't own a copy, yet. Since the year has finished my list seems to be getting longer and longer; I always feel like I'm a year behind! No I haven't heard Each To His Own Thoughts |
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avestin
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