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Poll Question: Many Great Composers In The Last Century, Who Had The Biggest Impact?
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    Posted: June 03 2005 at 23:10
These are the most prominent 20th century composers I can think of off the top of my head. The 20th century in terms of music composition belongs mostly to us Yanks as far as jazz and rock. Sorry, but let's face it. There wouldn't be prog if not for jazz and blues as well as classical. So try to be open minded on this poll. This is just food for thought on musical evolution in this century. Thank you.
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I think The Beates' impact will be the most long lasting, though I like everything I've heard by those listed above.
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I think so too. Copland and Varese didn't have that much of an impact, I guess.

Johnson was a big name in blues, but blues didn't have the same impact as rock.

Porter was one of the best songwriters of the 20th century, but I don't know in what way he influenced others.

All the jazz guys you mentioned and Gershwin were important, but none of them led a movement themselves, though Gershwin was an enormous innovator in his fusion of jazz and classical.

Only Miles Davis and the Beatles stand out for me. Miles Davis had musically a big impact, because he was more than once a key member in musical 'revolutions', with albums like Kind Of Blue and Bitches Brew.

Still, pop / rock was the most important musical revolution of the 20th century, and not only was Beatlemania and all the hysteria that followed unequalled in the world, but also the fab four left their gigantic musical landmarks, which were very influential, like Rubber Soul and Sergeant Pepper.

So I voted for the Beatles.
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How about Igor Stravinsky? I doubt that without his "Sacre du Printemps" rock music would have been possible. You also missed Olivier Messiaen and John Cage. Gustav Mahler at least partially is 20th century too.


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I want to add Bela Bartók, Samuel Barber, George Antheil, Ernst Bloch, Paul Hindemith and Carl Orff to Jean's list. And I could go on and on. Oh, and definitely Leonard Bernstein.


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And Dmitri Shostakovitch, Ralph Vaughn-Williams, Maurice Ravel, Charles Ives, Sergei Prokofiev, Erik Satie, Arnold Schönberg, and and and.... Your list is very incomplete indeed


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Not to forget Claude Debussy.


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Y'need Orff for Magma, certainly. And Messaien for some influence on OK Computer.
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Magma are definitely influenced by Orff and Stravinsky..


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Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

I think so too. Copland and Varese didn't have that much of an impact, I guess.


Johnson was a big name in blues, but blues didn't have the same impact as rock.


Porter was one of the best songwriters of the 20th century, but I don't know in what way he influenced others.


All the jazz guys you mentioned and Gershwin were important, but none of them led a movement themselves, though Gershwin was an enormous innovator in his fusion of jazz and classical.


Only Miles Davis and the Beatles stand out for me. Miles Davis had musically a big impact, because he was more than once a key member in musical 'revolutions', with albums like Kind Of Blue and Bitches Brew.


Still, pop / rock was the most important musical revolution of the 20th century, and not only was Beatlemania and all the hysteria that followed unequalled in the world, but also the fab four left their gigantic musical landmarks, which were very influential, like Rubber Soul and Sergeant Pepper.


So I voted for the Beatles.



I put Varese in 'cause of his enormous influence on Frank Zappa. Naturally I'm not surprised on how Lennon and McCartney will be voted. But keep in mind that both were big admirers of Johnson, Leiber & Stoller and even Porter. Another composer I should've put in was Bill Monroe. He had a big influence on just about every rocker to this day one way or another. Shine-on Blue Moon!

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Lennon And McCartney

Miles Davis is also on on my list.
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How about Igor Stravinsky? I doubt that without his "Sacre du Printemps" rock music would have been possible. You also missed Olivier Messiaen and John Cage. Gustav Mahler at least partially is 20th century too.

I could'nt agree more. I think Stravinsky is the first prog composer. I choose Copland from that very limited list but I think it's realy lacks most important composers. And no ! the yanks are not very dominant in music. Suprisingly they are in literature (Falkner, James, Barth, Bellow)
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And of course Erik Satie - and Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Philip Glass, Iannis Xenakis, Gorecki.....
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Quoting Marktheshark (The quote function doesn't work):

[ I put Varese in 'cause of his enormous influence on Frank Zappa. Naturally I'm not surprised on how Lennon and McCartney will be voted. But keep in mind that both were big admirers of Johnson, Leiber & Stoller and even Porter. Another composer I should've put in was Bill Monroe. He had a big influence on just about every rocker to this day one way or another. Shine-on Blue Moon!  ]

My reaction: I know Zappa was influenced a lot by Varese, interesting that that's the reason you put him on the list.

What you told about Lennon and McCartney: I didn't know that they were influenced by Porter. Interesting too. 
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Lennon and McCartney had the greatest impact.
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Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Quoting Marktheshark (The quote function doesn't work):


[ I put Varese in 'cause of his enormous influence on Frank Zappa. Naturally I'm not surprised on how Lennon and McCartney will be voted. But keep in mind that both were big admirers of Johnson, Leiber & Stoller and even Porter. Another composer I should've put in was Bill Monroe. He had a big influence on just about every rocker to this day one way or another. Shine-on Blue Moon!  ]


My reaction: I know Zappa was influenced a lot by Varese, interesting that that's the reason you put him on the list.


What you told about Lennon and McCartney: I didn't know that they were influenced by Porter. Interesting too. 



Maybe John and Paul were not so much "influenced" by Porter. But Paul was quoted that him and John both found his work interesting. You can admire an artist without being influenced by him.
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