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Poll Question: In retrospect what would you rate Snakes & Arrows ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 15:37
Re: number of stars.  I understand Logan's perspective; however, this is why a single number (current S+A averages 3.66) is by itself meaningless - one must read the reviews for a more complete picture.  It's why good reviews are essential for this site and why many here stress the need for reviews for obscure or underreviewed albums.  I won't buy something because 10 people slapped the number "4" on it....I need some context as to why it's an excellent addition to my prog collection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 15:49
I still say it's the best thing they've done in 20+ years. 4 stars!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 16:03
 
       To be more precise E-Dub, it's the best thing they have done in 21 years Wink !
 
                                                  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 16:51

Best albums since Moving Pictures for me and my album of the year and deserving of 5 stars. Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 19:08
Loved the album and seeing the band play it live was absolutely wonderful.

For me, 4+.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 19:29
I seen Rush live in Kansas City and the material from Snakes and Arrows was amazing.  To me this is their best album since Moving Pictures.  4 stars

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:05
Originally posted by JROCHA JROCHA wrote:

I seen Rush live in Kansas City and the material from Snakes and Arrows was amazing.  To me this is their best album since Moving Pictures.  4 stars



Hey, I was at that show!! Got to meet Alex and Geddy backstage as well.

I thought the Snakes & Arrows stuff sounded awesome live. Loved how they came out for the second set and just played 3 new tunes right off the bat.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:34
A solid 4, nothing less. I'd definitely put it in Rush's top 8 albums- it's the best since Power Windows (but then again, I am kind of a Vapor Trails fanboy too...). The whole album is very consistent, something that was a little lacking in the late-80s through the 90s. In a way this feels like a whole new era for the band. They may be really old, but S&A really feels like the band has a renewed energy and excitement for it all.

Vapor Trails was a great comeback and Feedback/30th Anniversiary tour was kind of the "yeah, let's play the hits" and there the band could have stagnanted, but they didn't. They repeatedly said Feedback kind of refocused them or whatever and now they're still going strong.

I guess it was a longwinded way of saying it, but Rush is still definitely going strong and S&A proves they are still relevant and aren't resting on their back catalogue. I mean, they played nine new selections from S&A on their tour! They've never done that before. That's putting a lot of faith in the new material, and it seems to be paying off.

And I'm jealous that E got to meet Geddy and Alex backstage. Way cool!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:40
2.5
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:41
Wait...I'm seeing something here that just had me step back. How does it rate as an CD not using the system. I mean The Who's "Who's Next" gets a 4.37? That is a Prog rating? I feel a disconnect. If S&A was treated in the same vein, does it garner a higher rating because it is not so much Prog? Anyone know what I'm getting at? Some people rate it lower because of it lacking Progness. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2007 at 20:50
Originally posted by Arsillus Arsillus wrote:

And I'm jealous that E got to meet Geddy and Alex backstage. Way cool!


Geddy was very shy; but, Alex just greets you with the biggest smile and his kindness simply radiates. I e-mailed the gentleman who set it up for us asking if Alex was really that nice, and his response was a emphatic 'yes'.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2007 at 12:52
3 and 1/2. Good, but not GREAT. I was expecting less, so it was a nice surprise! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2007 at 10:04
Thanks for putting up this poll - it made me finally complete and submit my review of this excellent 4 star album... Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 11:10
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

 
       To be more precise E-Dub, it's the best thing they have done in 21 years Wink !
 
                                                  
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Motivating my statement "best since Counterparts" a bit more: I think the first half of S&A is as fresh, lively and good as a Rush album in 2007 can be (which apparently is: almost brilliant). However, the second half tends to drag a bit and that's where the record loses it of its 1993 example, which was just a bit more constantly focused. Taking out that surprise gem, S&A would be the best since Power Windows, or, the best in 22 years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 11:38
I'd say four stars. I liked it when I first heard it and my opinion on it is roughly the same as then. I don't believe that it is their best, which for me is Hemispheres, but I  can honestly say its my favourite Rush album since Permanent Waves. I like the organic feel it has and though I do miss the epics, I like this new direction and although I like every period of Rush, I think this is the best style they've found since the 70's. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2007 at 11:42

I'd say I was still at a 4 star, myself. I think the album is pretty strong throughout, really. Will it usurp 'A Farewell To Kings' or 'Moving Pictures' as my all time favourite? Of course not, but I'd agree that it's their strongest for some time- since 'Counterparts' I'd say. Surely, 'Far Cry', 'The Main Monkey Business', 'The Way The Wind Blows' and 'Spindrift' in particular are destined to be future classics, IMHO.

Interested about the tour though; I can't comment fully as I did not attend the gigs but I have to confess I felt the set was a bit top-heavy in terms of pushing the new material. Did the album stand up compared to the older classics in that context?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2007 at 03:06
It's a bit early for a retrospective, isn't it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2007 at 03:44
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

It's a bit early for a retrospective, isn't it?
Snakes & Arrows was swamped with early reviews that due to the way this site runs cant be changed easily and since after  so long minds can change  this was aimed at seeing how well it (Snakes % Arrows) was still going.  Yes in one sense you are correct but thats not the point with this poll Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2007 at 13:59
Mmm.  I must admit I am a pretty big Rush fan.  I have seen them on every tour since Moving Pictures.  I have all their albums, but this album is kind of difficult to place.  Rush were great on tour and the S&A stuff was executed superbly.  The musicianship is just amazing. 
 
I do however have a problem with both the last two albums they just don't work for me sonically, I don't know whether its my age (mid forties), or their style, the songs seem very ordinary, it may be that there is not enough "prog" in them, no subtle interludes, its just driving rock from beginning to end, that may be it.
 
If I was to offer an uninitiated person a Rush album to listen to, I don't think I would offer them S&A.  It would be towards the bottom of my list.
 
Its only 2 stars for me.  Don't get me wrong, if I knew Rush were playing tomorrow and just playing S&A tracks I would still go, they seem to work much better live than on cd. 
 
A strange report, but that's how I feel about it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2007 at 03:31
Their best since Signals. I think that this is one of the most emotional Rush albums in decades. Perhaps it has something to do with circumstances in my own life, perhaps not. However this album made me reconnect with Rush, a band I'd loved in the 70s and early 80s but one I'd lost track of in the ensuing years.
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