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Posted: November 15 2007 at 15:36

ТАКО

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LEB I SO

ГАЛИЈА

AZRA ("....ONI DOLAZE, KURVINI SINOVI...." ма ,НАЈБОЉА РОК СТВАР У ТОЈ ПРОПАЛОЈ ДРЖАВИ СФРЈ)

ЕКВ

TIME ("Pesma No. 3" је 3АКОН!!!!!!)

....и то би било све, драги земљаци !

велики поздрав !

Edited by zicIy - November 15 2007 at 15:36

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Posted: November 15 2007 at 17:27

^^^

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Posted: November 15 2007 at 17:32

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^^^

ehmmm

Content-wise, it's ignorable.

Percussion, sir!

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Posted: November 16 2007 at 12:13

Hi Sead,

how about this Galija compilation? worth buying in your opinion?

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=11045

200 ? 200: true); BORDER-BOTTOM: #aaaaaa 1px solid" alt="GalijaVecita plovidba album cover" hspace=1 src="http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/2404/cover_43021222006.JPG" vspace=1>

Track Listings

1. Avanturista
2. Decimen
3. Gospi
4. Digni ruku
5. Jos uvek sanjam
6. Put
7. Burna pijana noc
8. Da li si spavala
9. Kad me pogledas
10. Zebre i bizoni
11. Mi znamo sudbu
12. Zena koje nema
13. Na tvojim usnama
14. Sloboda
15. Skadarska
16. Trube
17. Seti se maja
18. Pravo slavlje

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Posted: November 16 2007 at 17:19

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Updated list of exYugo names to be added:

- JUTRO, album "Dobro jutro" between symphonic and fusion style but jazz elements prevail > jazz rock/fusion
- KOVAC KORNELIJE, (ex KORNI GRUPA/KORNELYANS) first solo album "Izmedju svetlosti i tame" also contains elements of symphonic, space and fusion, but fusion prevails, later albums crossover prog and electronic > jazz rock/fusion or crossover
- SONCNA POT, one album only but very good jazz rock > jazz rock/fusion
- SUNCOKRET, "Moje bube" album > prog folk
- TOPIC DADO, (ex TIME singer), first solo album "Neosedlani" jazz rock, later albums crossover prog, rock, pop, soul > crossover prog

Any comments/suggestions are very much appreciated!

I have added two rare jazz rock bands from ex Yugo (and both Slovenia-based): JUTRO and SONČNA POT. I would recommend especially the self-titled "Sončna pot" album

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Posted: November 16 2007 at 17:21

andu wrote:

It contains "t**t", which the software perceives as offensive (myself I don't know what it means, but I've heard it a few times and usually it's supposed to be funny, people laugh when mentioned). LOL

Ah, didn-t know...

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Posted: November 16 2007 at 17:25

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Hi Sead,

how about this Galija compilation? worth buying in your opinion?

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=11045

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No, Andrea, I would not recommend this. It is rather poor collection with only few prog tracks. Don't waste money.

Try to find any of their first 3 albums, that is pretty much all worth hearing from this band.

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Posted: November 16 2007 at 18:00

Ok, thanks. The most part of the tracks are taken from their later albums...

anyway, the samples on this site sounds very good. Another interesting band. I will try to find out some of their early output.

Edited by Andrea Cortese - November 16 2007 at 18:01

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Posted: November 17 2007 at 04:47

I would recommend the debut "Grupa Galija" (also often mistakenly referred to as "Prva plovidba") which includes a famous "Gospi", very similar to CAMEL' "Mystic Queen". "Ipak verujem u sebe" is their probably the best produced and musically important album. The second, "Druga plovidba", is not bad either, with some GENESIS-like sympho moments.

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Posted: November 17 2007 at 04:53

zicIy wrote:

ТАКО

СМАК ("БЛУ3 У ПАРКУ", "ТЕГОБА", "ПЛАВА ПЕСМА", ауууу!)

LEB I SO

ГАЛИЈА

AZRA ("....ONI DOLAZE, KURVINI SINOVI...." ма ,НАЈБОЉА РОК СТВАР У ТОЈ ПРОПАЛОЈ ДРЖАВИ СФРЈ)

ЕКВ

TIME ("Pesma No. 3" је 3АКОН!!!!!!)

....и то би било све, драги земљаци !

велики поздрав !

Welcome Zicly to this topic! But please read the guidelines first. This is English language site so many members will not understand what you had written.

добро дошао у овај топик, али молим пиши на енглеском, овдје нису само бивши југовићи!

поздрав!

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Posted: November 17 2007 at 07:44

Just saw this thread...

Alogia are doing a great job in progressive metal
this is actually the only band from ex-Yug. I have checked

Novi Dan is a good example of what they can do... and in their native language (I think)

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Posted: November 19 2007 at 15:00

yes, back to english.. just mentioned some songs and some bands from ex-Yugoslavia wich i like.

as Serbian one, i wanna say (IMHO) that in Socialistic Republic of Yugoslavia ( ex-Yugoslavia) were very few of rock bands (or artists) without (full of) plagiarism. furthermore, very few were/are serious in their work, (IMHO). furthermore AGAIN, there were NEVER one rock band concern as Prog by that audience at that time, except Galija, although they have a lot of a crap stuff, (their recent album is awesome for our local standards, btw), and Tako (they never get some larger audience, and 99,9% of people at that place never heard for them, unfortunately). "TIME" - only their debut (s/t album ) was Prog.

LEB I SOL were/are awesome - jazz-rock.

SMAK were nice blues band at first time, leaded by REALLY great guitarist Radomir "The Wheel" Mihailovic who was playing in Bruxelles pubs in early ´60s TOGETHER with Hendrix when he was fired from U.S. Air Force base in Belgium. BUT NOTHING OF PROG WITH SMAK!

BIJELO DUGME was 100% of plagiarism. but, Goran Bregovic is great manager in the same time.

Belgrade band EKATARINA VELIKA ("EKV") were Art Rock at all, awesome but not Prog. ALL THIS BAND DIED BY HEROIN OVERDOSE IN FEW YEARS. that´s shame.

AZRA, Croatian trio, WERE BEST ROCK BAND IN EAST EUROPE, AND NOTHING BETTER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE IN EAST EUROPE(IMHO). But, not Prog too.

an interresting artist was Oliver Mandic from Serbia, who was recorded his last album (only as a bootleg, that guy is out of order, btw, shame again), with guests as Chick Corea, for example. but its not Prog, some kind of "soul", let say.

so, forget about Prog from whole ex- Yugoslavia (IMHO).

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Posted: November 19 2007 at 16:05

zicIy wrote:

yes, back to english.. just mentioned some songs and some bands from ex-Yugoslavia wich i like.

zicIy wrote:

LEB I SOL were/are awesome - jazz-rock.

Agree.

zicIy wrote:

SMAK were nice blues band at first time, leaded by REALLY great guitarist Radomir "The Wheel" Mihailovic who was playing in Bruxelles pubs in 60s TOGETHER with Hendrix when he was fired from U.S. Air Force base in Belgium. BUT NOTHING OF PROG WITH SMAK!

I do not agree, they have some very good and very complex prog moments from the beginning to the Crna Dama.

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BIJELO DUGME was 100% of plagiarism. but, Goran Bregovic is great manager in the same time.

Surely he was a great manager...there's a story he payed Vlatko Stefanovski quite a lot of money to publish "Uspavanka za Radmilu M." under his (Bregović's) name LOL

I don't agree Dugme was 100% plagarism ,it's a harsh thing to say, but true is Bregović remains most controversial person on a scene, plagiarism-wise.

Belgrade band EKATARINA VELIKA ("EKV") were Art Rock at all, awesome but not Prog. ALL THE BAND DIED BY HEROIN OVERDOSE IN FEW YEARS. that´s shame.

Yes, that's a shame. Great band. All dead. They lived rock 'n'roll until the end...

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AZRA, Croatian trio, WERE BEST ROCK BAND IN EAST EUROPE, AND NOTHING BETTER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE IN EAST EUROPE(IMHO). But, not Prog too.

I will strongly oppose my taste here...I really like Serbian and Croatian new wave bands (Šarlo Akrobata, EKV, Haustor and Idoli are geniuses, Šarlo even RIO/prog), but I can't stand Azra. Dead

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an interresting artist was Oliver Mandic from Serbia, who was recorded his last album (only as bootleg now, shame again) with guests as Chick Corea, for example. but its not Prog, some kind of "soul", let say.

I'm not familar with that. What I've heard of Mandić, he was high quality pop, even ahead of his time.

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so, forget about Prog from whole ex- Yugoslavia (IMHO).

No way

. We have here listed more then 30 bands from ex-Yugoslavia, and our special collaborator Seyo is planning to add loads more of ex-Yu artists. I'm also submitting new addition of bands from former Yu republics.

So, I won't say there's no prog here...

Edited by clarke2001 - November 19 2007 at 16:13

Percussion, sir!

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Posted: November 19 2007 at 17:51

How about Indexi's Modra Rijeka? Isn't it prog?

Leb i Sol 2 and Rucni Rad are fabulous jazz rock (with strong prog accent).

Probably the most part of bands from ex yugoslavia were more strongly influenced by jazz rock, hard rock and heavy prog than by real progressive rock movement strictu sensu. By the way, from the few I've heard the quality standard is high, obviously referring to monster albums as the three above mentioned.

Great purchases, great discoveries.

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Posted: November 20 2007 at 01:54

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zicIy wrote:

yes, back to english.. just mentioned some songs and some bands from ex-Yugoslavia wich i like.

It's true, I never heard of Tako while talking to some ex-Yugoslav...it seems they are appreciated much more on the West than in ex-Yu...
I agree that prog bands were only occasionally prog, and I agree that, unfortunately there was (is!) a lot of plagiarism, although I wouldn't say everything is plagiarism.
not everything of course, but many of bands were doing that. one of possible reasons for that is, although that rock music was some kind of mainstream in the major cities in ex- Yugoslavia, in those cities a real club scene practicaly dont existed untill late 80´s. lot of those bands obviosly were coming from garages immediatly to the studios of goverment owned companies as Jugoton, PGP RTB, etc., supported by their moms and dads or cousins in communist party. many talented youngsters were must adopted in their band, for example, an untalented a drummer coz of that guy had some nice conection with communist party for a band to go in a studio. most of them werent going into that hard work trough bars and clubs before they recorded an album....on the other side, i wanna say that straight, the folk musicians (in ex-Yugoslavia) were doing that hard work, a real showbiz, not something as hobby. in the case of those folk musicians it was a real world without a pity, before the studios ( as you know, in a million of "kafana(s) " they were working for their living, not just for recording a debut single or/and an album and than get the girls); that was very hard work for them anyway. and , IMHO, thats one of the major reasons because that folk, now in fusion with low profile of pop, and even a rock, are miles above in its popularity than rock music today. todays rock musicians, fans and journalists obviosly are going to blame only the war as the reason of that. of course that war lifted up that folk music, but folk music was already strong enough to blow away the rock music in that moment by above mentioned reason too, imho. today, so many of rock musicians are play on the albums of the folk stars.(i would not to blame them for that, of course).

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LEB I SOL were/are awesome - jazz-rock.

Agree.

zicIy wrote:

I do not agree, they have some very good and very complex prog moments from the beginning to the Crna Dama.

Crna Dama, IMHO, is one great album, great production and lovely recorded. but, imho, too much mixed by genres from one track to another... IMHO, "Plava Pesma" is only one pure Prog song at the album, and this is an awesome piece, no doubt. "Tegoba", an instrumental piece is a great jazz rock piece. "Crna dama" the song is hard rock, as "Daire" as well, etc. next SMAK´s album after Crna Dama, a forget the title, sorry, i´m lazy to google it now, were Prog, but sh*tt at all, IMHO. i think that Crna Dama the album was the first (one of the few, i´m sure) one album recorded in ex-Ýugoslavia which were issued officialy in UK at 1979, titled "Black Lady". their singer, Boris, use to live for years in Australia so he has been able to singing those tracks in english without any strange accent. but, english rock magazines were ranking that album very low, call that as plagiarism of music of Taste, etc.

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BIJELO DUGME was 100% of plagiarism. but, Goran Bregovic is great manager in the same time.

Surely he was a great manager...there's a story he payed Vlatko Stefanovski quite a lot of money to publish "Uspavanka za Radmilu M." under his (Bregović's) name LOL

I don't agree Dugme was 100% plagarism ,it's a harsh thing to say, but true is Bregović remains most controversial person on a scene, plagiarism-wise.

many of their greatest hits lyrics ( from "Tako ti je mala moja kad ljubi Bosanac" to "Sanjao sam nocas da te nemam"), wrote one Bosnjak, talented hobby poetry guy from Sarajevo, and Bregovic give to him just little a money for writting of those lyrics, and for the rights to put his, Bregovic name, in the liner notes at those albums jackets, as writter (music he has been taking from other side). thats true and sad story. this guy is still living in Sarajevo. Mr. Goran Bregovic owned a lot for his later "world music" succes story to film director Emir Kusturica, making the music for his movies, but Emir Kusturica fired Bregovic from that job few years ago, coz of - plagiarism! btw, i like Zeljko Bebek voice so much, he was a very best rock singer in ex-Yugoslavia, no doubt.

Belgrade band EKATARINA VELIKA ("EKV") were Art Rock at all, awesome but not Prog. ALL THE BAND DIED BY HEROIN OVERDOSE IN FEW YEARS. that´s shame.

Yes, that's a shame. Great band. All dead. They lived rock 'n'roll until the end...

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AZRA, Croatian trio, WERE BEST ROCK BAND IN EAST EUROPE, AND NOTHING BETTER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE IN EAST EUROPE(IMHO). But, not Prog too.

I will strongly oppose my taste here...I really like Serbian and Croatian new wave bands (Šarlo Akrobata, EKV, Haustor and Idoli are geniuses, Šarlo even RIO/prog), but I can't stand Azra. Dead

i HATE Idoli! but i like Haustor, and Sarlo.

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I'm not familar with that. What I've heard of Mandić, he was high quality pop, even ahead of his time.

yes, he was, before he loose his mind by booze. Baby Doll, a woman pop singer with great jazzy voice is the best in that genre in Serbia today.

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so, forget about Prog from whole ex- Yugoslavia (IMHO).

No way

Edited by zicIy - November 20 2007 at 04:31

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Posted: November 20 2007 at 06:41

^^ Hmmm, Zicly raised an interesting observation about prog in exYU. And while many of his assessments are probably too harsh, I think I understand his point.

It is true that, strictly speaking, there were hardly any "pure" prog bands in this scene, according to the "definition" of what is "prog rock". I personally have a problem with these definitions and especially with ever growing number of so-called "sub-genres", but let it be.

Definitely, most of the yugo bands added here can easily be put in many different sub-genres, without having strictly developed style of their music.

Sociologically speaking, there are reasons for that and Zicly mentioned his opinion which is a valid one. (I am personally doing a sort of wider background research on exYugo popular music, particularly during the Tito's era, so I understand some of Zicly's arguments).

But, of course, given the scope of this site, I tend to be more inclusive and try to add any band/artist that had even remotely been influenced by classic "progressive rock" of the late 60s/early 70s.

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Posted: November 20 2007 at 06:55

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Bregovic's "plagiarism" is almost the biggest urban legend in exYU countries. But I must admit I never heard of this fact. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised either, if it is true.

In my album reviews (including those of BD) posted here, I always try to provide as objectively as possible the circumstances surrounding the particular recording. Of course, I have my own personal preferences...

I will strongly oppose my taste here...I really like Serbian and Croatian new wave bands (Šarlo Akrobata, EKV, Haustor and Idoli are geniuses, Šarlo even RIO/prog), but I can't stand Azra. Dead

i HATE Idoli! but i like Haustor, and Sarlo.

I like almost ALL OF exYU punk/new wave, except Pankrti. The music of my teens...

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Posted: November 21 2007 at 00:47

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zicIy wrote:

Bregovic's "plagiarism" is almost the biggest urban legend in exYU countries. But I must admit I never heard of this fact. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised either, if it is true.

Seyo, I respect your opinion about Bijelo Dugme. they made many nice albums (all together with, at that time in ex-YU, revolutionary design of the album jackets delivered by Mr. Dragan Stefanovic), but plagiarism WAS the way of Mr.Goran Bregovic´s work. no doubt, not "urban legend(s)". i forget now the title of Dugme song (after Bebek era) with lyrics "...dok sa andjelima beres tresnje...", you know the title of this song i presume, a very nice song, but !, lets compare this song with Yes´ song "Owner of the Lonely Heart". this is just one of the examples how Mr. Bregovic did do a copy paste very easy. futhermore, i had a very old compact cassette, one friend of mine gived it to me to listen, issued as bootleg in Belgrade so many years ago, where every track, greatest hits by Dugme from their glory days, is following by some "belong" English rock song which Mr. Bregovic were steal without a shame. more or less, his music were an act of plagiarism. Goran Bregovic is not only guy who did it, for example, the song by serbian "rock hero" Bora Corba, his relatively new hit "Pare, Pare" is the plagiarism of the old song by The Who, composed by John Entwistle, "Boris is The Spider", from their pre-Tommy era - but i dont expect from Mr. Bora Corba to be able to make a plagiarism of some more complex The Who song from ´70s. btw, and this is a very last time i mentioned Mr. Bregovic and his work over here, i presume that you saw Bijelo Dugme live on the stage; i presume you heard how Bregovic "play" solo guitar on their gig, thats a real comedy! hey, one kid who just founded his "blues" band in his dady´s garage in my street (and that kid wasnt born as a guitar genius, i´m sure) is playing his guitar better than ex-YU rock star No.1 Goran Bregovic; the other members of Dugme (especialy Mr. Zeljko Bebek,imho) held all their gigs. Prog, or proto prog, or prog related band with the guy who never learn to play a lead guitar at even avarage rank? no way, IMHO. so, anyway...after all, i respect Bijelo Dugme, with all of their glory days & events as ´Hajducka cesma´ in Belgrade 1977, as one VERY important (and very nice!) sociological phenomena in ex-Yugoslavia and in that Tito´s opera-like kind of communism, and i strongly disagree with people who are always readdy to say that "Bijelo Dugme were destroyed yugoslav rock scene"- thats non sense.

greetz!

Edited by zicIy - November 21 2007 at 01:56

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Posted: November 22 2007 at 02:58

I agree, Bregovic is not the only one who shamelessly copied the work of others. It is widespread in the Balkans... I can only mention Prljavo kazaliste in they heydays...

But I am reluctant to use the straitforward word "plagiarism", because I presume it is hard to prove. It is always tricky to say who influenced whom in music or art in general.

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Posted: December 07 2007 at 11:15

I've read your recent interesting reviews on Bijelo Dugme, Seyo.

Very interesting records from what I've read. I will certainly search for Šta bi dao da si na mom mjestu and Bitanga i Princeza .

How about their last works? More folk (balkanian) oriented?