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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: October 21 2007 at 14:45 |
^ nice, we're making progress ... I would always only put an emphasis on the "1" of each group. Or to put it another way: An emphasis/accent for me automatically starts a new group. 
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Trademark
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Posted: October 21 2007 at 15:01 |
It would be a lot easier if we could sit around a table and draw pictures. 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 21 2007 at 15:04 |
of course ... describing notation with words is a bit cumbersome. Now listening to Don Ellis - "27/16" ... a really cool and not at all difficult track. You simply count 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3. 
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 21 2007 at 15:17 |
 Trademark wrote:
It would be a lot easier if we could sit around a table and draw pictures. |
Or how about on the walls of our caves? Yeah, education pros say that males learn faster visually. Anyway, I think I learned a few things.
Edited by Easy Money - October 21 2007 at 15:19
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Nucleus
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Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:10 |
What About Pink Floyd's Time and Comfortably Numb?
Yes's Gates of Delirium and America are right up there...
And how could we forget Jimmy: Led Zepp's Dazed and Confused.
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reality
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Posted: October 24 2007 at 23:43 |
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I have followed the whole argument (actually a lecture to Mike) and fully agree with Trademark. I have noticed that there is a lot of misconception and a tremendous amount of ignorance on this site when it comes to music theory (though many claim they know stuff). I want to thank Trademark for his(or her I did not notice) knowledge of proper music theory. People will argue to the hilt with you over things you find obviously not true, especially if it elevates Prog (believe me I have had some fruitless debates with clueless people, not including Mike in that, questions are not fruitless). Thank you it was a good read.
Edited by reality - October 24 2007 at 23:44
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 25 2007 at 02:03 |
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^ I don't think that the last few pages of this thread were really about music theory. We argued about how music is noted ... and about the names of notational symbols and concepts. These are not the same all over the world ... and the usage of 7/8 or 9/8 is commonplace everywhere you look. So while they might be right that in some cases it would be better to break them down to 3/8+4/8 or 5/4+4/8 the "world" proves that it is just an alternative way of doing things.
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Zaenos
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Posted: October 27 2007 at 12:07 |
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Okay, I've updated the list using nominations gathered on another forum. This seems to be slowing down quite a bit, so if you have ideas toss them out now. The next step is judging.
Edited by Zaenos - October 27 2007 at 12:07
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 27 2007 at 13:03 |
^ sorry, but with about 18,000 tracks in my collection it's a little bit difficult to name the top technical tracks. I'll try to post some later, since I'm largely responsible for moving the thread into another direction the least I can do is to try to put it back on track.
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prog4evr
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Posted: October 28 2007 at 23:03 |
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Snipergoat
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 12:25 |
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Technical is the wrong word, complex would be better.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 29 2007 at 12:28 |
Technical and Complex are two diffrent things to me.
Technical: Impressive, complex, and hard to play things (Not in a rhytmic Sense. I mean like some of Gentle Giant's melodies, or Really Fast (prog)Metal).
Complex: Rhytmically Difficult (Like Meshuggah, Dream Theater etc...)
Edited by Abstrakt - October 29 2007 at 12:30
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Zaenos
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Posted: October 30 2007 at 19:42 |
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By "technically impressive" I mean difficult to play, mostly. We're not talking about composition here, but performance. As much as I'd like to debate complex song structures that topic is a lot more arbitrary and opinion-based. I'm looking for "technical skill" because that can be argued with real, solid, less opinionated evidence.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: December 10 2007 at 02:11 |
stonebeard wrote:
"In the Name of God" by Dream Theater or many Dragonforce songs
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I'm going to ignore the Dragonforce part
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ProgBagel
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 11:10 |
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Yes, Dragonforce is not as hard as people think, hell they can't even play their own music in front of people.
Or they just pretend they're drunk...everytime and at every show..........
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The Pessimist
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 13:08 |
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karn evil 9, 2nd impression - ELP
tarantism (cassandra gemini) - the mars volta
sleepwalkers - van der graaf generator
level five - king crimson
songs from the wood - jethro tull
one whole half - the flower kings
cygnus x-1 (book 1) - rush
the battle cry - gino vannelli
just a few examples of which songs i think are technically brilliant.
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steve j
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 16:07 |
I have just speed read this thread, and realise I don't know anything about music. 
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Peter
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 16:34 |
Lots of them are "technically impressive."
"Most" (or other absolute concepts like "best ") is a silly, artificial, limiting, juvenile concept with which to approach the appreciation of art. There isn't one "most" or "best!" 
No offense, but why must so many progholes attempt to measure and rate everything? Art is not sports, science, or math, or just a matter of counting beats per minute, or sales numbers. Sorry, but I honestly cannot relate to "absolute" threads like this one.
Why not consider "technically impressive song s," "favourite drummer s," etc? In art appreciation (which is extremely subjective) can't many things be equally "good" -- in different ways? Can't two or more musicians be equally good? Can't I like many bands to roughly the same extent? Why are we constantly being asked to choose only one of something, to place one artist, or one piece of art, on a pedestal above all others? 
Get over it!
He said for the 2,487th time....  
Edited by Peter - December 12 2007 at 16:44
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 16:39 |
steve j wrote:
I have just speed read this thread, and realise I don't know anything about music. |
 Do you have working ears? A brain? A heartbeat? Do you know what you like? Can you feel differing amounts of pleasure and displeasure when you listen to music?
If so, then you do "know" things about music, and qualify to listen to it (and, yes, even share opinions on it here). 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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micky
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Posted: December 12 2007 at 16:47 |
Peter wrote:
steve j wrote:
I have just speed read this thread, and realise I don't know anything about music. |
Do you have working ears? A brain? A heartbeat? Do you know what you like? Can you feel differing amounts of pleasure and displeasure when you listen to music?
If so, then you do "know" things about music, and qualify to listen to it (and, yes, even share opinions on it here). |
damn right Peter.... I couldn't paint my way out of a paper bag.. .but sure as hell can tell a great painting from one that is not. It's in the mind.. and the heart... it isn't mathematics.. and neither is music. Though some prog brownshirts will tell try to you that it is...
Edited by micky - December 12 2007 at 16:48
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the most technically impressive song?
but I hope people can take this seriously...
